el_super
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So the American West was never a frontier in the first place.
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So the American West was never a frontier in the first place.
el_super
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For all the people saying it doesn't fit into Frontierland... what do you think was the final verdict on Cars fitting into California Adventure? I remember people being quite vocal that it didn't fit since most of the movie takes place in Utah/Arizona.
Or what about the final verdict on Pandora fitting into Animal Kingdom?
Or Frozen fitting into Epcot? Or Nemo?
We're five, ten, fifteen years past some of these massive tonal shifts so we should have seen some measurable impact on them in park attendance right? I mean, if it really mattered at all.
el_super
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Moderation? Walt put the Mike Fink Keelboats in Disneyland, to advertise the TV show, which was based on Disneyland. There has never been moderation.
CoasterCowboy67
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The American Frontier wasn’t a place none had gone before — Native Americans lived there for centuries
It was extreme wilderness from the experience of people living in the 13 colonies. There was promise of land, gold, etc. but also taller mountains, deeper canyons, desserts, sickness, and dangers unlike anything they were used to. National Parks in the West today exist to protect these environments so that we can experience them as close as they did centuries ago. National Parks honor and celebrate the American Frontier far more than Big Thunder Mountain.
The fact you want to highlight Tiana’s conceptual exploration (“Entrepreneurial” - lol what?) rather than physical or geographic exploration (Cars off-road vehicles through the Frontier wilderness) makes clear you’re determined to make the former work with a contrived view and reject the latter’s far more obvious connection. Going “off road” to the back-country of California or Oregon or Wyoming is allowing us to engage with wilderness far more than helping Tiana find musicians for her New Orleans restaurant
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TrainsOfDisney
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you do know that “business” and theme park design are 2 different things correct?
Not saying they both aren’t real but you seem to just be arguing business facts.
A Deadpool store on Main Street would sell plenty of merch - the spreadsheet will prove it I’m certain.
el_super
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They are not. Theme parks have to make money to justify their existence. Theme parks make money by making people happy. You can't ignore that when tonal changes have occurred in the parks in the past, they have largely been successful and made Disney lots of money.
It really calls into question how important something "fitting" into the area really is.
Yeah, Davy Crockett was the biggest pop culture phenomenon of the time and his company, yet still not Davy Crockett only land. Nice try to spin(and marty) that.
Quietmouse
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You do realize millions of American have never visited the west right? Likewise, off road vehicles are fun and something that people frequently do when go visit Colorado, and other mountain towns.
By that logic it’s a resource to better the quality of your life.
The west and off roading is very synonymous with the frontier as millennials and gen x view it today.
Ayla
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I'm quite well-versed on what the real frontier is, thank you. Route 66 isn't it.Route 66 runs through what is considered the American Frontier. Absolutely. That is the American West - California, New Mexico, Arizona, Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, etc. A national park in the American West is exactly emblematic of the Frontier — wild, unexplored mountains, deserts, forests, and plains far away from people’s “home base” of the 13 colonies (which includes Georgia / Song of the South, and thus why that is the literal opposite of the Frontier)
I’m worried people here think Frontier = the “country” which includes the South. That is so wrong. Maybe the Country Bears name is confusing them
Our education system sadly has been proven to be abysmal.
The attraction isn't based on Route 66.
el_super
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Moving the goalposts? Is this the qualification for excess here now? Having an entire land based on one IP? Is that what we're going to litigate against today? What a crime.
Ayla
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The IP is.
Architectural Guinea Pig
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- In the Parks
- No
Thank you so much for pointing this out
CoasterCowboy67
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National Parks preserve the American Frontier as it was in the days of Wild West exploration. Without them who knows how much we would have lost to development by now. Maybe our best chance to experience the Frontier would have been Disney’s Big Thunder Mountain. Luckily, National Parks have protected far more authentic experiences and wilderness without us having to do the literal forging of new land.
Again, people are paralyzed on a time definition of the frontier, the time when Westward expansion was new to people in the 13 colonies, and not the geography / environment they encountered which National Parks today have preserved the best they can. Tiana is neither. Splash Mountain was neither. Disney has at least made clear with Cars they’ve chosen the latter as the direction for the land, and it’s incredibly appropriate
Route 66 isn’t even where this Cars land is taking place, so I don’t get the repeated reference? The Cars universe, and the concept of vehicles with eyes, is shown to be Global in the series. So not sure why we seem to think we’re getting Radiator Springs when Disney made clear we’re not. Even still, Route 66 is at least geographically located in the Frontier, so still more relevant than Splash Mountain
TrainsOfDisney
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As a millennial that is not what me or anyone I know in my age group thinks of as “the frontier”
CoasterCowboy67
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No it’s not. Cars 2 expands the IP to Europe via the World Grand Prix storyline. The concept of vehicles with eyes on them isn’t just on Route 66. Neither is the proposal Radiator Springs at DCA which is based on Route 66
The D23 presentation made clear they were more thoughtful about how they’re doing this
CoasterCowboy67
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We can agree on the latter, particularly reading comprehension. See my post above -- this proposal has nothing to do with Route 66. The Cars franchise has settings across the world
Ghost93
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I think Disney just wants Frontierland to remain more relevant. Some may view the initial iteration as a monument to a time in which Native Americans were being displaced and killed by colonizers. The new version isn't a tribute to a specific time but more of a , "anything west of the east coast" land. The vibe is more mountains and evergreen trees versus the Wild West.
Coaster Lover
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- In the Parks
- No
As a millennial, my frontier was pretty radically different than previous generations... we had the "final frontier"... (which had no deserts, cacti, or rattlesnakes to be seen)
el_super
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Not sure if it had been posted before but this was a pretty interesting video:
I had mentioned that travel had become cheaper and experiences were more accessible as a reason why far-off-distant-locales as theme park themes was on the outs recently, but this actually adds a new perspective for me: that OTHER Disney theme parks have also become more and more accessible. So why duplicate experiences between them? You want to see a Disney river experience... just go to Disneyland.
I had mentioned that travel had become cheaper and experiences were more accessible as a reason why far-off-distant-locales as theme park themes was on the outs recently, but this actually adds a new perspective for me: that OTHER Disney theme parks have also become more and more accessible. So why duplicate experiences between them? You want to see a Disney river experience... just go to Disneyland.