News Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[el_super]

If only more people had used Splash Mountain
Disney doesn't need a reason to replace something. Whether it's considered popular or not, if they feel the need to replace they will. Popularity may play a part to a degree. But it's not the only reason Disney keeps attractions or gives them the axe.

They have to have a reason, a pretty good reason to spend the kind of money needed to replace something. Even though their general reasoning can be cynically boiled down to "it will make us more money" in almost every case, there is still a level of popular opinion weighing on that. Splash Mountain may have seemed popular enough with the current audiences, but they made the call that replacing it would be a more popular decision for future generations.

 

[el_super]

so why does Disneyland continue to expand and add attractions and yet with fewer guests per year, and paying CM’s much more, the admission cost is actually lower?

Disneyland has never just closed off attractions and venues without replacement before? Ever? News to me.

I think the admission at Disneyland being lower has been a problem to solve for them, and they've been working to correct it. But that is generally a separate issue. It doesn't change the basic economics of the theme park business, where turnstile clicks have to be converted to maintenance dollars. Disney theme park attractions might seem usually resilient but they aren't immune to the regular attraction lifecycle. They all eventually have to change or close.

 

[el_super]

As Walt said, Disneyland was meant for everyone of all ages. It was supposed to be a place everyone could have fun at together, unlike typical amusement parks which were only for kids.

I don't really have a horse in the "Disney Adult" race, but a historical correction here: in Walt's day, amusement parks (like seaside piers and boardwalks) were really seedy places mostly meant for adults. The real innovation with Disneyland was creating a place where adults felt it was safe to take their children, by removing most of the carny atmosphere.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Disneyland has never just closed off attractions and venues without replacement before? Ever? News to me.

I never said that. But i don’t see Disneyland raising prices because they still have the steamboat, sailing ship, canoes, and Tom Sawyer island open.

 

[el_super]

I never said that. But i don’t see Disneyland raising prices because they still have the steamboat, sailing ship, canoes, and Tom Sawyer island open.

No, but they have also significantly raised prices and retooled the annual passes within the last few years. Building SWGE and relocating swaths of backstage infrastructure did necessitate huge price increases. The kind of huge price increases that would probably have to happen at MK if they kept ROA and TSI and still kept expanding.

If it helps you out a bit though, I won't deny there is probably some degree of historical preservation impacting decisions at Disneyland on whether to remove or retool attractions. It's easy to see that the river stayed at Disneyland because Fantasmic seats some 20,000 people a night.

 

[Disstevefan1]

I'm strongly advising people here not to believe this sort of thing because it pretty much never ends well.

Not ending well for me is the river of America getting filled in, the loss of TSI and the loss of the riverboat, so…….

 

[DonniePeverley]

The nostalga brigrade back at it again i see.

Most of them local free loading annual pass holders.

 

[V_L_Raptor]

The nostalga brigrade back at it again i see.

Most of them local free loading annual pass holders.

Heaven forfend!

 

[Disstevefan1]

The nostalga brigrade back at it again i see.

Most of them local free loading annual pass holders

You are in luck.

TWDC agrees with you and will rip out all the old stuff and jam in IP every place they can. It will take decades but they do put up very nice looking walls up while they are moving the dirt around,

TWDC agrees with you and hates APs as much as you do.

 

[James Alucobond]

The nostalga brigrade back at it again i see.

Most of them local free loading annual pass holders.

Does emerging once every fortnight to curse the locals of Orlando renew the seal on some ancient god you and your ancestors have been maintaining since antiquity or something?

 

[JoeCamel]

Does emerging once every fortnight to curse the locals of Orlando renew the seal on some ancient god you and your ancestors have been maintaining since antiquity or something?

Drive by troll

 

[DarkMetroid567]

so why does Disneyland continue to expand and add attractions and yet with fewer guests per year, and paying CM’s much more, the admission cost is actually lower?

Because Disneyland is already very dense and arguably very well-planned. You can’t replace at Disneyland without killing, like, 2 rides or an entire land. Something like Seven Dwarfs would genuinely kill 4 attractions at Disneyland’s Fantasyland. The only real grounds left are Autopia (which is still very popular) and the underutilized Tomorrowland space.

MK, by contrast, has the blessing of size, which means everything is super spread out.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

MK, by contrast, has the blessing of size, which means everything is super spread out.

So blessing of size means - the guests get less. Interesting.

I just don’t understand how Disneyland makes money operating so many attractions and yet MK - which gets more visitors - has to close a simple dark ride and put in a princess photo op to make the budget make sense.

 

[Schmidt]

You are in luck.

TWDC agrees with you and will rip out all the old stuff and jam in IP every place they can. It will take decades but they do put up very nice looking walls up while they are moving the dirt around,

TWDC agrees with you and hates APs as much as you

So blessing of size means - the guests get less. Interesting.

I just don’t understand how Disneyland makes money operating so many attractions and yet MK - which gets more visitors - has to close a simple dark ride and put in a princess photo op to make the budget make sense.

Simple. There was a large demand for those meet and greets. It was a smart business decision. Girls LOVED it. Not everything is for 40-50 year old males.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Not everything is for 40-50 year old males.

Is the Snow White dark ride designed for them!?

 

[Two Ears]

How with cars you get 4 news rides? The Cars area only has two rides.

2 rides cars. 2 rides villians.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

2 rides cars. 2 rides villians.

The 2 cars attractions replace Tom Sawyer Island and the Liberty Belle. Obviously you can argue riders per hour, popularity, etc. but attraction count doesn’t change.

We also don’t know for a fact that Villains will be adding 2 attractions and replacing nothing.

 

[Two Ears]

The 2 cars attractions replace Tom Sawyer Island and the Liberty Belle. Obviously you can argue riders per hour, popularity, etc. but attraction count doesn’t change.

We also don’t know for a fact that Villains will be adding 2 attractions and replacing nothing.

Yes we do know as villians will be on vacant land.

and i am arguing riders per hour. Thats the point. If an attraction falls in the forest and there is no one there to hear it then did it actually fall?

 

[Schmidt]

Is the Snow White dark ride designed for them!?

A ride for a bygone era.
You and I like those old dark rides. That’s not for Gen z.

Not only did my girls get the meet and greets that they wanted. They got the mine train coaster too. Win win. I mean not for you but almost everyone else.

 

[MisterPenguin]

We also don’t know for a fact that Villains will be adding 2 attractions and replacing nothing.

Yes, we do. Two rides were announced. Villains is "Beyond Big Thunder Mountain" which puts it north of the new Cars Mini-Land.

I guess if the northern loop of RoA isn't saved, it can be said to be 'replacing something else.'