DonniePeverley
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Isn't this going to be radiator springs or cheap nonsense ?
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Disstevefan1
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I will not thank you.
And I my opinion my statement is as ridiculous as Disney filling in the ROA.
You are right in that Disney SHOULD make a lot of LL money IF whatever they build works reliably.
I wish Disney thought about making money when making their movies.
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James Alucobond
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Your "opinion" is just a weird conspiracy theory. Actually, it's not even a theory because it's not based on making connections between things that have actually happened. It's conspiracy wishcasting.
TrainsOfDisney
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What kind of ridiculousness would you like to see!? (Muppet vision jokes while we can!)
That’s debatable - I feel like Disney is managing the parks very poorly and a significantly less drastic investment would gain quicker short term gains and set the park up for a much better future.
The weight of the water displaced is equal to the weight of the thing displacing it. -Archimedes
Lifelong WDW lover here. This is gutting the soul of the park. It's like paving over central park in NYC with something jazzier because the park isn's always packed. The peacefulness is the point, it's a core part of the Magic Kingdom experience. The atmosphere is critical to making the rest of the park work, a counter-balance to the concrete jungles of Tomorrowland, Fantasyland and Main St USA. I'm all for updating and adding cool new stuff, but removing structural and strategic level elements like the ROA is the absolute most destructive way to do it. To me it seems like a squandering of resources that would be better deployed fixing real problems like Wonders of Life and Imagination, as these would only be enhanced and not damaged with transformation. The lack of creativity expressed in this project is incredibly disappointing. I’m sad that my kids will probably not make it back to the Tom Sayer Island of my youth – they absolutely loved it.
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October82
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Something in between but closer to value than what is at DCA. Speculation is it’s a new trackless ride system, but based on the area and limitations of trackless ride vehicles will be a smaller and slower experience. I suspect that’s the reason for the “off road” theme - it can create a more thrilling experience with the ride system limitations.
That should mean a lower height limit and an attraction suitable for families with younger children.
My wife and I started going to Disney World only as adults, as our families couldn't really afford those kinds of trips growing up. Prior to visiting, I'd always envisioned Disney World as basically 6 Flags, but with a Mickey coaster or something. But after visiting I, like many, grew to really appreciate what Disney had built and their ability to tell stories through their attractions, stories bespoke made for the theme parks in many cases. And that drew my wife and I back for regular trips, and when we went anywhere else we would end up comparing that destination unfavorably to Disney World in some manner.
We now have an 8 year old son who we've taken there more often than other vacation destinations largely because it was more accessible due to some health concerns our family has had in recent years. And he has certainly enjoyed Disney World, but has never been very attached to any particular Disney IP, whether Toy Story or Cars or Mickey etc. We go to Disney World largely because his Mom and I want to go, not for his affinity for any Disney IP. However, he is very into Pokemon, the majority of his wardrobe is Pokemon, and very into Mario, plays the games all the time and discusses tactics with friends. He's dressed as Harry Potter for Halloween. He has Transformers and is constantly pretending to make more Transformers. Frankly, the only thing that has kept us Disney World has been us the parents and our love for the overall resort and its atmosphere. For all of the arguments that Disney needs to do this to appeal to kids and adults really don't matter, I'm not sure that's exactly how the family politics of vacation booking work. At least it hasn't been the case for us. While just removing the RoA isn't going to ruin the whole resort wholesale, it does make a big statement about The Walt Disney Company's philosophy on running resorts and how it is out of alignment with our family's goals in a vacation.
peter11435
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No your statement is definitely more ridiculous because there’s no way Disney could pin this decision on the district.
Disstevefan1
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"conspiracy wishcasting" I love that! I will be using that going forward.
Thanks!
MrPromey
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I'm not exactly sure anyone's saying it would be easy but the condition back there in modern-day is at least a little better than what the whole space of the Magic Kingdom was when they began construction in the 1960s.
Quick reminder: The Seven Seas lagoon you go across or around to get to the MK was man-made to help make the land the park and the roads going around it sit on suitable for construction.
Point is, they can obviously do it and with about 50 years of advancement in construction technology and method on an area much smaller that was to some degree touched even way back then (how do you think the land the roads are sitting on back there got there?) it's by no means insurmountable or beyond what they were perfectly fine doing to put the whole thing on the map to begin with when it was considerably larger scale and more difficult to do.
There are governmental and environmental concerns today that there weren't then, obviously but even some of the strongest proponents for doing things this way talk about saving those areas for future expansion. Nobody thinks Disney's not touching this space because they don't think they can or will, eventually, anyway.
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Disstevefan1
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So you are saying filling in ROA is ridiculous
Looking forward to Mater singing It's Fun to Be Free.
Disstevefan1
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CoasterCowboy67
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No. The entire weight of the water has to be supported by the riverbed because of Earth's gravitational pull on all of the water, not just the part at the bottom. If the riverbed was only supporting the water directly above it (whatever that means...) the rest of the water would just fly off into space. Draw a free body diagram of the riverbed. Or for an easier place to start, grab a cup of water and put it on a scale. Fill it a little bit with water. Fill it a little bit more. Fill it a little bit more. And watch the scale continue to rise. Water is not weightless, whether at the top, middle, or bottom of a cup, pool, or river.
And how do you know the river system only has small leaks? What do you know about the quality and condition of the concrete foundation? I'm not saying it's in shambles because I haven't seen it either. I'm only saying that someone with known ties to Disney, who has very possibly had direct conversations engineers explaining the rationale for eliminating ROA, has offered us a very plausible and physics-based explanation for the tough decision to replace ROA. We cannot be so blinded by our own biases to keep ROA that we start to make up our version of physics out of convenience.
The right and center of the artwork shows wide paths with people on them. Would have been water with no swimmer before, correct? That is more spatial efficiency. If the ride path crosses over itself, as it appears to do multiple times in the path, it is using more vertical space than if that ride were to be flat, right? That is more spatial efficiency.
One of the consequences of failure is leakage of water, as I explained. The ground beneath the riverbed is porous and the water would escape into ground and aquifer beneath that. The water would need to be replaced. The Seven Seas Lagoon being connected makes it so that the water level doesn't drop appear to drop precipitously in ROA because the volume of water is distributed. So rather than 1 foot drop in ROA and same water level in SSL, we maybe see a 1cm drop altogether. But make no mistake, the same volume of water has left the proverbial building. And its the same amount of water you need to pump back in to recover 1 cm of SSL + ROA as it would be to refill just ROA by 1 foot (I'm guessing the ratio, I don't actually know)
No one's mentioning if the weight is distributed over the entire concrete floor or not. (It is.)
Let's say the weigh of the water is 10 tons. And you swim down three feet and lie flat on the concrete floor. Do you feel the weight of all 10 tons?
No.
You feel the weight of just the water above you in a column the shape of your body.
James Alucobond
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How many total people fit on the islands, the rafts, and the Liberty Belle concurrently now? How long do they stay there on average? How many people could TSI conceivably entertain in an hour if utilized to capacity?
How does that compare to how many people can fit in the queues, shops, and attractions concurrently in the Cars area, and how long are they spending on entertainment and shopping relative to non-quality time spent standing in line?
And who cares how long the attraction track is and how frequently it rises and falls if the total attraction throughput and time spent on the attraction is not notably different from any other attraction? That's actually space inefficiency if the footprint is especially large for the experiential payoff considering other attractions of presumably similar ride time often take up much less space.
MrPromey
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Unique merch costs them more.
They pay their folks to design more things and then order in smaller quantities, have to deal with the logistics of shipping and storing and eventually discounting and moving to one of their outlets for stuff that doesn't sell. When they go to refresh, they have to start the whole process over again.
While they became the most popular tourist destination in the world and made money hand-over-fist operating this way for decades, current management has found a more "efficient" way to handle things.
Mostly the same reasons the individual resorts don't have their own uniquely designed and packaged toiletries in the rooms anymore - much cheaper to put in larger orders for generic WDW stuff than for the Contemporary, Grand Floridian, Polynesian, etc. and if they run low at one resort, they can just send a generic box of whatever there from a central storage location rather than having to reorder a shipment of shampoo bottles with a unique design and scent intended for a particular location like say Grand Floridian even though they have an extra case of shampoo for the Contemporary just sitting there unused.
It's all just them cutting corners to shave pennies off their costs while raising what they charge guests for increasingly less unique and interesting products and services.
A lot of people don't care about the toiletries or the magnets or other things like that individually but it's the death by a thousand cuts principle at work.
In the case of the resorts, it's not exactly difficult to draw a line from how we got from something like the toiletries decision to whole build-outs like the Riviera that with less unique and complex architecture, were cheaper to have designed, cheaper to construct and will be cheaper to maintain over the years going forward.
In the case of the parks, it's easy to see why it's the same generic stuff in most places. They want to put shops everywhere but don't want to deal with the costs associated with making the merchandise those shops sell unique any more than they think they have to these days unless they are subletting space and making money off someone else selling their own stuff in them (i.e. Sunglass Hut, Arribas Brothers, etc.)
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Jambo Dad
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It’s different people.Yeah, and now “fans” start moaning and complaining about Epcot losing its theme with an even deeper infestation of IP… seems people can find problems about anything Disney says
