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[Mr. Sullivan]

I don't think that's an accurate way to describe the attraction though. I would say it celebrates the US government institutions and concept, sure, but the actual presidents are really more acknowledged rather than celebrated.

I don’t disagree with that! Like I said, I like the attraction a lot. Again, I just think there’s a lot of people today who aren’t comfortable having anything regarding the presidency and the men who’ve held it discussed in any way that doesn’t also provide context for it.

 

[lazyboy97o]

No. The entire weight of the water has to be supported by the riverbed because of Earth's gravitational pull on all of the water, not just the part at the bottom. If the riverbed was only supporting the water directly above it (whatever that means...) the rest of the water would just fly off into space. Draw a free body diagram of the riverbed. Or for an easier place to start, grab a cup of water and put it on a scale. Fill it a little bit with water. Fill it a little bit more. Fill it a little bit more. And watch the scale continue to rise. Water is not weightless, whether at the top, middle, or bottom of a cup, pool, or river.

Any random square foot of the river bed is only support the water directly above it. The river isn’t that deep so it doesn’t have some obscene, unusual amount of water acting on it.

And how do you know the river system only has small leaks? What do you know about the quality and condition of the concrete foundation? I'm not saying it's in shambles because I haven't seen it either. I'm only saying that someone with known ties to Disney, who has very possibly had direct conversations engineers explaining the rationale for eliminating ROA, has offered us a very plausible and physics-based explanation for the tough decision to replace ROA. We cannot be so blinded by our own biases to keep ROA that we start to make up our version of physics out of convenience.

Why have you not looked at the river bed? There are photos of it from 2020 when it was drained.

People with ties to Disney have also pushed nonsense.

One of the consequences of failure is leakage of water, as I explained. The ground beneath the riverbed is porous and the water would escape into ground and aquifer beneath that. The water would need to be replaced. The Seven Seas Lagoon being connected makes it so that the water level doesn't drop appear to drop precipitously in ROA because the volume of water is distributed. So rather than 1 foot drop in ROA and same water level in SSL, we maybe see a 1cm drop altogether. But make no mistake, the same volume of water has left the proverbial building. And its the same amount of water you need to pump back in to recover 1 cm of SSL + ROA as it would be to refill just ROA by 1 foot (I'm guessing the ratio, I don't actually know)

The Rivers of America is part of a giant system that intentionally filters water into the ground and the aquifer. That’s a big part of what the water management system does. The entire Rivers of America could become porous and there would be plenty of water in the system, it is minuscule compared to just Seven Seas Lagoon and Bay Lake.

The water level in the Seven Seas Lagoon and the Rivers of America do not rise and fall together. There are locks in between that manage the water level of the Rivers of America.

 

[tallica]

Just a FYI. Fantasy Land expansion did get kinetic water features. I love water features both natural and artificial. Even though I have ridden SDMT dozens of times, I either forgot or didn't realize they existed.

 

[peter11435]

This kind of talk is insulting on so many levels. People want to experience the riverboat and the atmosphere that currently exists.

Don’t insult people who enjoy Disney world for being Disney world.

I’m not trying to insult you personally. I’m stating a fact. The vast majority of Disney visitors do not want to experience the riverboat and island.

I enjoy both of them. I visit the island and ride the boat. But I also know the vast majority of MK guests are not interested in either of them.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

I’m not trying to insult you personally. I’m stating a fact. The vast majority of Disney visitors do not want to experience the riverboat and island.

Why do the vast majority of visitors wave to the riverboat when it passes then? Are they waving “goodbye I never want to experience this moment again!”

 

[Charlie The Chatbox Ghost]

Just a FYI. Fantasy Land expansion did get kinetic water features. I love water features both natural and artificial. Even though I have ridden SDMT dozens of times, I either forgot or didn't realize they existed. View attachment 809648View attachment 809647

If the difference between concept art and reality is anything to go by... oh no.

 

[Disstevefan1]

It seems Disney wants to retheme this area for two reasons:
Save on maintenance costs
Make money on LL

The same reason they rethemed Splash to Tiana..... Wait, never mind....

 

[haveyoumetmark]

It seems Disney wants to retheme this area for two reasons:
Save on maintenance costs
Make money on LL

The same reason they rethemed Splash to Tiana..... Wait, never mind....

That’s a completely separate situation and scenario. Do your own posts make sense to you?

 

[peter11435]

Why do the vast majority of visitors wave to the riverboat when it passes then? Are they waving “goodbye I never want to experience this moment again!”

People have a unique desire to wave to anyone on boats and trains lol

 

[ᗩLᘿᑕ ✨ ᗩζᗩᗰ]

Isn't this going to be radiator springs or cheap nonsense ?

Neither.

 

[James Alucobond]

If the difference between concept art and reality is anything to go by... oh no.

Spoiler alert, water is not blue/white and opaque despite frequently being illustrated as such. Though, to be fair, Disney apparently also forgot this when planning the Harmonious fountains.

 

[Disstevefan1]

That’s a completely separate situation and scenario. Do your own posts make sense to you?

Made ya look, LOL.

No matter what is said on these boards TWDC will continue to make ridiculous decisions that take WAY TOO LONG to complete. Who knows, maybe they will change their minds 2 or three times on this.

And I will do my part with ridiculous posts the end result is sadly the same...

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

People have a unique desire to wave to anyone on boats and trains lol

Doesn’t that mean they have a unique desire to experience them?

Not necessarily ride - they can choose to if they want to. But Disney World is definitely more of an experience than rides anyways - otherwise it would Cedars Six Flags Point of Florida.

 

[CoasterCowboy67]

How many total people fit on the islands, the rafts, and the Liberty Belle concurrently now? How long do they stay there on average? How many people could TSI conceivably entertain in an hour if utilized to capacity?

Not much. The entirety of the area of water is unusable except for those on the 1 riverboat and couple of rafts at a given time. The island’s capacity has to be minimal given the safety hazard of having an island packed full of people. Any theoretical count of how many people you can have physically fit in the island has no practical significance

How does that compare to how many people can fit in the queues, shops, and attractions concurrently in the Cars area, and how long are they spending on entertainment and shopping relative to non-quality time spent standing in line?

These areas are a lot more. Queues, especially these starting Day 1, are assumed to be packed to the brim. Add in retail, the rides themselves, the second of which looks to be a flat ride and you’ve got at least 10x more.

If the track crosses over itself, it’s being space efficient not inefficient. We have no idea how many cars there will be or how fast they go. But you don’t need calculus to understand how removing a river and island and replacing it with something even vaguely like the artwork results in far more people using the same square footage

 

[Incomudro]

Toy Story Land is a great example of this. The attractions are popular, but it's still a relatively inefficient use of space.

With a better design, it could offer everything it currently offers plus more on the same plot of land.

They also cut some of the features the concept art depicted for the Slinky Dog Coaster.
Parts of the coaster were originally supposed to run through portions of trench.

 

[walt7204]

Frontierland is my favorite area of MK and only pandora is close in all of WDW. Will be excited to see it as it is once more this fall. I have been to WDW just about once every 18 months or so, maybe 20 times over 25 ish years growing up with my family, and have no recollection of ever going on the riverboat or tom sawyers island. As long as sightlines are respected and money is put into the outward facing theming I am very excited for this project. Would I prefer they keep the bottom of RoA, yes I like the ambience. But give me something else pretty to look at that thematically works (doesn't have to be perfect) and I will be happy.

Timing wise, Disney needs to get its act together. If RoA closes early spring next year and this land doesn't open until 2030, then I would be annoyed. Winter 2028 for Frontierland 2.0, with Villians in 2030 (hopefully at the latest), with potential Moana in Adventureland, something in the speedway by 2030-2032 ish and a cleanup of tomorrowland - MK will be in great shape with expansion pads still to the north and west of BTM. I am optimistic about MK and WDW in general and hope this is just the start of a great ten+ years of new attractions.

 

[James Alucobond]

If the track crosses over itself, it’s being space efficient not inefficient.

I still struggle to understand your use of the word “efficient”. The Tomorrowland Speedway crosses over itself but is not a terribly efficient use of the space. The mere presence of elevation changes and crossovers in ride paths has next to zero to do with efficiency.

 

[CoasterCowboy67]

No one's mentioning if the weight is distributed over the entire concrete floor or not. (It is.)

Let's say the weigh of the water is 10 tons. And you swim down three feet and lie flat on the concrete floor. Do you feel the weight of all 10 tons?

No.

You feel the weight of just the water above you in a column the shape of your body.

What does this matter? The original claim was that the boat was “free floating” and the riverbed had no weight on it except for the track and the piers. We’ve now accepted that’s not true, good, but now we’re splitting hairs between the entire riverbed and one square foot of it. Sure, one square foot of the riverbed has one square foot worth of volume of water above it. Point being? It’s equally accurate to state the entirety of the riverbed is supporting the entirety of the water above it if you isolate the riverbed as one rigid body in a free body diagram, which is a reasonable assumption. The fact holds that this is an insignificant amount of weight that can absolutely deteriorate the riverbed over time. Saying “well so what let the riverbed break” is willingly ignoring the purpose of putting in the riverbed in the first place. If it isn’t necessary why was it put in?

We have structures going back centuries, and Disney can't maintain a riverbed for over 50 years? Give me a break. We don't need to be fed the nonsense. They either let it deteriorate and therefore decided it is not worth fixing and will just utilize the space for something else. Or the riverbed is just fine, but they still want to trash it anyways.

They’re not saying they can’t fix it. They’re saying it’s not worth fixing to have an empty island, boat, and rafts and dead end to two major attractions, all while making it difficult to access a marquee new land.

 

[CoasterCowboy67]

I still struggle to understand your use of the word “efficient”. The Tomorrowland Speedway crosses over itself but is not a terribly efficient use of the space. The mere presence of elevation changes and crossovers in ride paths has next to zero to do with efficiency.

Space efficiency is relative. Obviously Doctor Doom’s Fearfall is more space efficient than Radiator Springs Racers. I’m just saying that the use of overlapping tracks creates a more space efficienct layout because you are using vertical volume

 

[RSoxNo1]

By all accounts, it looks like the main attraction won't use the Test Track / RSR slot car system. Either on here or on Twitter, I saw a post about a Dynamic attractions ride system that could be utilized for this. The hesitancy would be 4 person vehicles instead of 6, but that's what's depicted in the concept art as well:

Dynamic Attractions Unveils New Dark Ride Vehicle That Can Go Anywhere – Dynamic Attractions

dynamicattractions.com

As for the secondary attraction, it looks like it could be a trackless flat ride similar to Rollickin Roadsters, but hopefully closer in execution to a dry Aquatopia.