News Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[Kamikaze]

I find MSUSA to be the coolest area of the park with all of the conditioned air flying out into the street. On TSI, I was sweating from areas I didn’t know had sweat glands. But, yes, the pavement in the Cars area will be hot in July.

All of WDW is hot in July.

 

[John park hopper]

It will make the overall park hotter. Trees are a natural way to cool large areas.

The hotter it is the more guest consul that expensive water and soda

 

[Chef idea Mickey`=]

There are many natural destinations that fit the mold of what you are losing when the River is removed.

But I am sorry, I just do not share the sentiment that everything in the parks needs to stay exactly as Walt had it. As someone else pointed out, systems become antiquated, costs for maintenance change, priorities change.

It's not about only a river and a riverboat though the riverboat Liberty Bell truly represents as a living piece of history within that renowned area of the park. I think even with Disneyland that's why he separated "Disney IP" with Frontierland by putting all of that in Fantasyland. Frontierland was for the History and evolution of America. Would Walt point out why they are not putting theming something Cars in Tomorrowland Speedway area I bet he would.

 

[John park hopper]

This is a great take on the topic. And while Walt may not have designed rides specifically for children he did design them for the young at heart. Bob Iger approved a project that not only caters to the young at heart but all those with a daring dark side too.

And I am not trying to be callous but if someone truly feels abandoned by Disney's current regime then it is ok to take your dollar elsewhere. There are many natural destinations that fit the mold of what you are losing when the River is removed.

But I am sorry, I just do not share the sentiment that everything in the parks needs to stay exactly as Walt had it. As someone else pointed out, systems become antiquated, costs for maintenance change, priorities change.

And I am honestly asking again, is there another forum established where those who want to talk about what's to come can do so without the conversation of IP's, destroying the park, etc dominating the conversation?

Start your own Web site --we love Disney no matter what they do

 

[CoasterCowboy67]

They’re only worth highlighting if they have some meaning. That the Adventureland site needs a geotechnical report has nothing to with the Moana project moving forward. And while Concept Design is very early in the whole process, there’s a good chance one was done or an older one referenced from past projects.

It could have everything to do with the project moving forward or not. I mean obviously it needs one. The point is that it may have found something materially relevant to the feasibility of the project. Just as it likely did with ROA needing to be removed due to an otherwise difficult mix of problems to remediate

Calling it a foundation is a bit of a misnomer because it isn’t holding anything up. Its purpose is by-and-large aesthetic. The riverboat is free floating, so the track isn’t supporting its weight and could exist on a smaller mat or individual piers. So how is the riverbed failing? It could be leaking but so what?

Huh? The riverbed is holding up millions of gallons of water. The "free floating" riverboat is not in zero-gravity, either: it is being held up by the water that is being held up by the riverbed. It's like saying a pool's structure is only aesthetic if nothing is sitting on its surface. That would be true if it was empty. Like a pool, excessive drainage and leaks in the riverbed mean water needs to be pumped back to maintain a specific surface level, which isn't free and requires more water and a method to do so. Which is likely why they can't just shorten the river like I thought they could because it would sever a necessary connection to Seven Seas Lagoon. In addition to all of the weight the riverbed is supporting, shifts in the surrounding ground can easily transfer lateral stresses to the riverbed -- it's not all about what's directly above it.

 

[hopemax]

Knowing I am a Disney fan, two of my co-workers asked be about my thoughts on the D23 announcements. They are both into pop-culture and have visited Disney World, although neither is what I would call a "Disney fan". The did not know about the river being removed and both were shocked when I told them about that.

This is a risk that Disney is taking on. People may hear this news, and simply assume they are putting a ride on the island, and building a bridge, so no river transportation. So then, this plan is “fine.” It will still have the same general aesthetic, and familiarity, and what makes Disney, Disney.

People didn’t react well to the tacos and Stargate in the lagoon in Epcot. Made worse by the disappointments about the show. This could have a similar reaction, putting even more pressure on the quality of the ride.

 

[Disstevefan1]

This is a risk that Disney is taking on. People may hear this news, and simply assume they are putting a ride on the island, and building a bridge, so no river transportation. So then, this plan is “fine.” It will still have the same general aesthetic, and familiarity, and what makes Disney, Disney.

People didn’t react well to the tacos and Stargate in the lagoon in Epcot. Made worse by the disappointments about the show. This could have a similar reaction, putting even more pressure on the quality of the ride.

I hope, hope, hope they change their mind about this.

This is one time I wish they did their usual and presented something and then forgot about it.

 

[SpectroMagician]

No. It actually doesn’t show that. It shows the river removed. But it still shows water and waterfalls and there will be more that you can’t see from this art.

And no, the art does not in any way show “cars right outside the queue for haunted mansion.” There’s a large path and extensive landscaping on either side seperating the haunted mansion queue from the cars attractions.

Right so you confirmed that they are totally filling in the existing water, while maybe adding some new stuff, but the actual whole river is gone.

Then you also confirmed that it is right outside the queue for Haunted mansion because right now there is a water and there is going to be a path and then the ride. So exactly what I said you are confirming.

 

[larryz]

Not taking issue with the overall point or anything, but do kids not read huckleberry Finn or any Twain anymore in school?

No they don't.

Maybe they should

It's "problematic."

 

[peter11435]

Right so you confirmed that they are totally filling in the existing water, while maybe adding some new stuff, but the actual whole river is gone.

Then you also confirmed that it is right outside the queue for Haunted mansion because right now there is a water and there is going to be a path and then the ride. So exactly what I said you are confirming.

No. I’m saying they are filling in the existing river. That does not mean there will be no water in the new land. Because there will be.

And cars will not be going by the haunted mansion. There will be substantial separation as I pointed out. You won’t see cars from the haunted mansion

 

[Charlie The Chatbox Ghost]

I hope, hope, hope they change their mind about this.

This is one time I wish they did their usual and presented something and then forgot about it.

It's definitely worth it to email/mail letters to Bob Iger, Josh D'Amaro, Bruce Vaughn, Chris Beatty, Jeff Vahle, Michael Hundgen, and the parks communications themselves.

I got a list of contacts (emails and mailing addresses) from someone on Twitter, I can hand it out to whoever would like. All the addresses are business addresses, not personal addresses.

 

[lazyboy97o]

It could have everything to do with the project moving forward or not. I mean obviously it needs one. The point is that it may have found something materially relevant to the feasibility of the project. Just as it likely did with ROA needing to be removed due to an otherwise difficult mix of problems to remediate

The comment was about it being something that needs to be done. You can’t find something in work that has yet to be performed.

Huh? The riverbed is holding up millions of gallons of water. The "free floating" riverboat is not in zero-gravity, either: it is being held up by the water that is being held up by the riverbed. It's like saying a pool's structure is only aesthetic if nothing is sitting on its surface. That would be true if it was empty. Like a pool, excessive drainage and leaks in the riverbed mean water needs to be pumped back to maintain a specific surface level, which isn't free and requires more water and a method to do so. Which is likely why they can't just shorten the river like I thought they could because it would sever a necessary connection to Seven Seas Lagoon. In addition to all of the weight the riverbed is supporting, shifts in the surrounding ground can easily transfer lateral stresses to the riverbed -- it's not all about what's directly above it.

Know what’s even bigger than the Rivers of America? The Seven Seas Lagoon which doesn’t have a concrete bottom.

It is not the same as a swimming pool. A structural failure in a swimming pool means it is no longer safe for use for a variety of reasons from objects in the pool to water quality. A chunk of the Rivers of America concrete being removed doesn’t make it unsafe to use, it’s connected to a bunch of waterways that don’t have a concrete bed.

The water that fills the Rivers of America is essentially free because it comes from the Seven Seas Lagoon, Bay Lake and all of the other connected waterways. The method of getting that water in and out is the locks and pumps that have existed for over 50 years. This connection can be maintained with a pipe, or severed and be like other waterways.

Most of the perimeter of the River is area development. There are very few structures adjacent to it. The river has also been drained as recently as 2020. If there was any important relationship between nearby structures and the riverbed then there would have been a need for temporary structural support. It was also be a reason against removing the river.

 

[larryz]

Please send Disney a message that they can't remove this part of Walt's legacy.

 

[Charlie The Chatbox Ghost]

No. I’m saying they are filling in the existing river. That does not mean there will be no water in the new land. Because there will be.

Small creeks (as insiders have suggested) and ponds don't make up for the vast river. If the river is narrower than I am tall, it's a problem.

 

[haveyoumetmark]

It's "problematic."

Or more simply, better books with more educational value and fewer slurs have been released over the last 150 years.

 

[larryz]

I will say; the oddest thing is the urgency to get this done.

It's called "ripping off the band-aid." Nobody wants the extra bad publicity from picket lines, and picket signs...

 

[FLDisneyFan]

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Maybe they should remove Iger. It's possible. Ask Chapek.

 

[peter11435]

Small creeks (as insiders have suggested) and ponds don't make up for the vast river. If the river is narrower than I am tall, it's a problem.

As I already said. You might not feel the new water features are worthy replacements. However, it’s still incorrect to say there won’t be water

 

[dmc493]

Give me a babbling brook or give me death

 

[ToTBellHop]

Tomorrowland became a lake during Debby last week. I slipped and fell headed down the Space Mtn. queue ramp due to that water feature. To hell with water features. Water features kill.