News Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

hopemax

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So did some back of the envelope math. RSR’s theoretical hourly capacity is about 1,500 per hour. Let’s say they get ten good working hours in a day - not unreasonable given finicky nature of RSR and the Florida weather. That’s about 15,000 just for that ride. Unclear what the other ride will be, or it’s throughput capacity, but that’s a lot of money and effort (build cost plus environmental expenses) for this increase.
And in a park that averages over 50k a day. So less than 30% of guests will be able to even experience it, if no one gets any re-rides at all. That’s potentially a lot of disappointed guests. Of course people will just scream, “people should just buy a LL.” As if there will be enough to go around.

And I thought putting a popular 15K per day ride in a 35K per day park was bad.
 

FerretAfros

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This is interesting. The is the proposed conditions map that was used to design the new storm water control improvements. The "D" color is designated as "impervious" land. Water is marked in blue, and it's interesting to note that the entire river is gone except the one small part. I thought this might be because the river has a concrete bottom, but the second picture shows it as water not impervious.

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I'm not familiar with Florida's stormwater code specifically, but this appears to be more of a future-proofing exercise than reflective of any meaningful plans.

Typically, stormwater management is required when the ground cover changes from pervious (forested, landscaped, grass, etc.) to impervious (buildings, roads, walkways, treated pools/water features, etc.), in order to capture the additional runoff from rainfall that is no longer absorbed by the soil. This is done to protect the downstream channels from erosion with high-velocity flows, and from flooding with increased runoff volume. Essentially the goal is to make sure the post-developed runoff doesn't increase and cause problems on someone else's property or for the natural systems.

The exact type of stormwater management facility can vary from surface ponds and canals to restored wetlands to underground vaults, but they all function in a similar manner: as a holding facility to detain the additional runoff and release it slowly over an extended period of time, reducing the peak flow rate. Similarly, these can be small facilities designed to capture a single project (say, a new restaurant) or large regional facilities to include future development with known or unknown designs (like and office park or residential subdivision that will get built-out over several years).

Given that the existing ROA is part of the existing stormwater management network, removing and replacing its capacity will be a large undertaking. A smaller-scale but similar project was undertaken ahead of the Tron construction to modify the ponds on the east side of the park, and even that was expensive and time consuming. While earthmoving is a costly operation, the incremental cost of increasing the size of a facility you're building anyway is relatively small, since so much of the cost is associated with design & permitting, getting crews out, and simply moving the dirt around; a facility that's 20% larger may only cost 5% more.

With that in mind, it makes sense that they want to use a regional facility that assumes the entire park is impervious. This will be a once-in-a-generation stormwater project anyway, so why not make sure that all the bases are covered for the foreseeable future. Realistically, it removes the stormwater management burden from small projects like walkway widening, restaurant expansions, and (yes) new DVC kiosks, which is probably the primary goal of the project. But it would also allow larger changes, like finally putting that climate-controlled dome over the entire park.

I wouldn't read too much into the image showing the entire park as impervious surface as meaning they have concrete plans to do that. It's just allowing them the flexibility to do whatever they want in that area in the future (at least, until a major revision to the stormwater code), without having to modify the stormwater system each and every time.
 

GenChi

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I'm 90% convinced they could announce they are demolishing the castle tomorrow to add Zootopia police chase ride and we'd still have people on these sites justify why it's a good thing because the castle doesn't have a 1 hour wait to enter, is an old outdated thing that can be replaced with new ip, it isn't a real ride and large waste of space themeing isn't important, that Walt said the park isn't finished, etc
 

basas

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I'm sure it will have less traffic than the doors coaster. But it isn't on the same level as tsi. It's been mostly full every time I've went. Its serves much more of a purpose in hs than tsi does in mk. And it's not like I have some special affinity for muppets, I just think it'll be a loss of capacity that they don't need.

Not sure I agree with that…
 

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HOUSE OF MAGIC
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I'm 90% convinced they could announce they are demolishing the castle tomorrow to add Zootopia police chase ride and we'd still have people on these sites justify why it's a good thing because the castle doesn't have a 1 hour wait to enter, is an old outdated thing that can be replaced with new ip, it isn't a real ride and large waste of space themeing isn't important, that Walt said the park isn't finished, etc
This thread's like 90% pearl-clutching and hyperbole.
 

fgmnt

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It would be good for the park to have as an addition, even if I think a coaster isn't really the ideal build for DHS at the moment (it needs multiple attractions that will draw from a wider base)
Not exactly the thread for this discussion, but the Door Coaster should be seen as a pressure relief valve specifically for Slinky Dog Dash. In MK, the 5 new attractions that will open over a decade will serve any group of guests pretty well.
 

basas

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guest.services@disneyworld.com
I called as well
I also know of 3 Imagineers that I wrote emails to (Not sharing addresses)
Would be interesting if somebody would try first and last name email combos for higher ups to see what goes through

If you have a voice people, then use it! Stopped CBJ from going away! But them announcing location today and also dropping permits show how scared/uncaring they are.

I wrote for Splash Mountain. The response I received made me want to vomit…
 

docnabox

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I'm 90% convinced they could announce they are demolishing the castle tomorrow to add Zootopia police chase ride and we'd still have people on these sites justify why it's a good thing because the castle doesn't have a 1 hour wait to enter, is an old outdated thing that can be replaced with new ip, it isn't a real ride and large waste of space themeing isn't important, that Walt said the park isn't finished, etc
You left out, “Castles are problematic.” 😂
 

hopemax

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Walt Disney once said, "Here in Florida, we have something special we never enjoyed at Disneyland... the blessing of size. There's enough land here to hold all the ideas and plans we can possibly imagine"
Key point this brings up… the new MO isn’t “all the stories we can possibly imagine,” it’s now “all the stories we’ve *already* told, and have good merchandise sales.”

My head is steaming from some of these posts. The parks were created to expand the medium in which stories could be told. Not every good story is movie material. There is so much more that can be imagined, and realized. Current Disney is very small thinking. A single shelf of Disney branded, already existing tales in a complete library and world of interesting ideas.
 

TrainsOfDisney

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Didnt walt say somethink like "the park shouldn't me a museum and should continue to evolve"?
Walt said “Disneyland will never be completed. It will continue to grow as long as there is imagination left in the world.”

He also said -

“Disneyland will be the essence of America as we know it, the nostalgia of the past, with exciting glimpses into the future. It will give meaning to the pleasure of children – and pleasure to the experience of adults.”

The museum quotes are from imagineers.
 

Earlie the Pearlie

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Taking a boat back from DHS today (saying a sad potential goodbye to MV4D) the boat-driving-guy was talking about what was announced. When he said that Cars was replacing the Rivers, people cheered. Obviously I disagree with that position, and was enjoying the atmosphere of the Rivers just earlier today, but it’s an interesting perspective on how this looks to rank-and-file guests. They don’t see an interesting and important part of the park being removed, they see a fun new ride they can go on being added. I despise that, but it’s unfortunately how things are. And there isn’t anything we can really do. I hate that, but those who care about the parks the most have less control than those who care about money.

Also, I was at EPCOT today as well (very busy day) and I was looking at all of the green space. EPCOT is more relaxing than either MK or DHS because of all of the water and grass. So at least we’ll still have that.
 

DisneyRoxMySox

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I’ll never forgive them for taking away this view.
 

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basas

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Oh you meant the 90s!

The 90s still had some good, but yes, they made all kinds of attraction mistakes that decade and into the early 2000s.

The early ‘90s arguably produced two of WDW’s finest attractions: Splash Mountain and Tower of Terror. Indiana Jones at DL (mid 90s) was groundbreaking as well. I believe all were net additions, not replacements, too.
 

SoFloMagic

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Don’t blame me for “stirring the culture wars pot”, blame Disney.
Disney is building what promises to immediately be the top ride in the entire resort in an area that currently has a boat on a track that goes 5 mph.

Y'all complain they never build anything, then when they build you complain about what it is or where it is.

If you want to make it about cancel culture, go ahead. But Disney's just using their current (flawed) IP-first philosophy to do something they think people will like in place of an antique
 

UNCgolf

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Not exactly the thread for this discussion, but the Door Coaster should be seen as a pressure relief valve specifically for Slinky Dog Dash. In MK, the 5 new attractions that will open over a decade will serve any group of guests pretty well.

The problem is that DHS simply doesn't have enough other attractions, especially family friendly ones.

It'll also be interesting to see how well that works. I think the Door Coaster, as a suspended coaster, will scare off some kids that happily ride Slinky, and of course there's already RNRC for people that want something more thrilling.
 

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