News Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[jason976]

I mean a day ak can be exhausting too and there's water and green shad everywhere lol

AK is the hottest park to me - feels like the vegetation just ramps up the humidity. Don’t know if that’s true or not but that my experience.

 

[UNCgolf]

No one can explain why ROA/TSI should even remain other than it’s already there. The place is a ghost town.

TSI can go IMO, but Liberty Square and Frontierland as currently designed simply won't work without the river there. They'll need to be completely overhauled without the waterfront because everything will feel strange/out of place.

I don't know why they didn't just leave a small river, dock the riverboat there, and have the waterfront remain as-is just for that fronting stretch of LS and Frontierland.

 

[docnabox]

Took some time to skim 60 pages and analyze the concept art. This is what I can conclude in my opinion...

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• TSI needed to be changed somehow (Story & Attendance)
• Rivers did not have to go and this is the biggest mistake Disney has made yet in the current regime
• The loss of kenetic energy form the river is going to be huge
• Don't understand the need for snow covered mountains, as it is unnecessary
• Snow right next to dry aired Frontier tumbleweed landscape?
• Going to plant a lot more trees separating this from what is existing
• Feels like Grizzly Peak area and Redwood Trail in DCA recycled with IP put in
• As some insiders have stated, "this is not over yet" which I take it more undesired changes are on the way
• How does modern off road vehicles fit into Liberty Square timeline?
• Think we are going to see LS change as a whole land eventually
• HOP will change 100% because of our on going political climate
• Does this keep the speedway or put it on chopping block?
• This is 100% a merch and Lighting Lane grab for Disney
• Why does there have to be a giant piston on top of the mountain viewable from so many other lands
• If the 90% of you don't like this, (I don't either) then have you already written an email to multiple departments & people? I did before writing on this forum.

I agree with so many of these thoughts and had some of them myself. The show capped peaks? I guess they are going for the Rockies. But if they are the Rockies they should be much bigger and there is no room for forced perspective here. The fake snow might work in a place like Blizzard beach where snow and ice are the theme but here it stands out like a sore thumb.

And the piston? Ugh.

I also think this means the Speedway’s days are numbered and yes, LS is going to get the boot at some point too, in my opinion.

 

[Tha Realest]

This is an absolutely hilarious comment. 15,000 people a day for two rides across even a short, ten hour day would be absolutely atrocious capacity and nowhere near worth the cost.

So did some back of the envelope math. RSR’s theoretical hourly capacity is about 1,500 per hour. Let’s say they get ten good working hours in a day - not unreasonable given finicky nature of RSR and the Florida weather. That’s about 15,000 just for that ride. Unclear what the other ride will be, or it’s throughput capacity, but that’s a lot of money and effort (build cost plus environmental expenses) for this increase.

 

[phillip9698]

Many people already have explained why
* They add a scenic and quiet retreat
* They add a play area for small children, something MK has been losing more and more of
* The riverboat is a relaxing scenic ride for people of all ages and sizes
* They add beautiful scenic views from the mainland park and give it a sense of natural beauty- since, you know, it’s a PARK
* They work as a thematic transition from LS to Frontierland
* They make the areas adjacent to them feel more open/have breathing room- without them the Frontierland street will feel more claustrophobic and cramped
* Having TSI, the Riverboat, AND Cars adds more capacity than having only Cars

Sure, they’re not the most popular attractions. But they provide so much for the park that people don’t realize. Even if you don’t do them, you’re still getting something out of them.

All of that would be true…………………if people actually went there.

Actual used capacity is better than theoretical capacity. It doesn’t matter how many people attractions can theoretically handle if people don’t want to experience them!

There is a betting chance that there are more posts in this topic about losing that area than people who actually went there today.

 

[UNCgolf]

I was thinking more along the lines of the Tiki Room “Under New Management fiasco, the removal of 20k Leagues Submarine mistake at WDW and at Disneyland the Light Magic “Parade” replacing the iconic Main Street Electrical Parade and Rocket Rods replacing the People Mover.

Oh you meant the 90s!

The 90s still had some good, but yes, they made all kinds of attraction mistakes that decade and into the early 2000s.

 

[MrPromey]

There's one particular troll here who does very little other than attack Joe Rohde's work at random.

I think Joe must have cut him off in traffic one day years ago or maybe got the last roll of TP at the start of the pandemic while they were in the same store.

 

[DisCOT_97]

Dunno if this is the place for armchair imagineering but since they love IP so much, they could take a play out of Universal’s book and make a 5th gate that somehow loosely ties a bunch of unrelated IP together. My silly idea has always been a mashup of the old Discovery bay and Tokyo Sea parks, making each IP land a futuristic port connected to a steampunk main area… The point still stands, the IP only lands do not belong at the castle parks.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

I just learned that they have to do this because they’re losing the patent license for Tom Sawyer Island and it shows up in too many pictures.

The Tom Sawyer estate demanded a raise in royalties and Disney got tired of comping Becky Thatcher's bar tab.

 

[Quietmouse]

Dunno if this is the place for armchair imagineering but since they love IP so much, they could take a play out of Universal’s book and make a 5th gate that somehow loosely ties a bunch of unrelated IP together. My silly idea has always been a mashup of the old Discovery bay and Tokyo Sea parks, making each IP land a futuristic port connected to a steampunk main area… The point still stands, the IP only lands do not belong at the castle parks.

Then what is fantasy land?

 

[docnabox]

Didnt walt say somethink like "the park shouldn't me a museum and should continue to evolve"?

Something to that effect. It certainly is the rallying cry of those that want to see everything change. Little known and never repeated though is that he also said:

“I love the nostalgic myself. I hope we never lose some of the things of the past.”

 

[Brer Panther]

I'm still not opposed to a Cars ride (although I have realized that Iger's Disney can still screw one up - they managed to screw up Princess and the Frog and Ratatouille rides, after all). I am opposed to them getting rid of Tom Sawyer's Island and the Rivers of America.

They don’t care about the setting, placemaking, or atmosphere. Just shove IP in everywhere at all costs. This is a big cost. The park will never be the same.

I'm terrified that Iger has done irreversible damage to the parks, and the company as a whole...

World Showcase Lagoon does seem like it has huge potential for new Lands...

Don't give Disney any ideas.

Think upon this... now that there's another Car ride coming into MK, expect pressure to mount on repurposing the land eaten up by Tomorrowland Speedway...

With our luck, they'd probably replace the Speedway with a Wish ride.

No, wait, they'll probably stick the Wish ride in Animal Kingdom. There are animals in Wish, so it fits, right?

This is like infilling Animal Kingdom’s lagoon and building Zootopia. Ridiculous.

Again I say, don't give Disney any ideas.

The muppets in hall of presidents is what I’m guessing

I'm sorry, but I think Muppets taking over Hall of Presidents isn't such a good idea. We don't need another Under New Management.

I don't fully blame those in charge.

To quote A Bug's Life... "First rule of leadership: everything is your fault."

Promoting brands is more important than celebrating America according to Disney and Bob Iger

No wonder he hates the Muppets so much - Sam the Eagle probably hates his guts!

They should fill in World Showcase lagoon next cause ya know, what a huge waste of space! The views are all nostalgia, people need to get over it. Give us Hercules’ Greece Adventure or Luca’s Vespa Journey!

Now you're thinking like a Disney executive.

Can we not be excited no more for new things for Disney World because any sign of expansion at this point is always unnecessary. MOANA will not be necessary when it decides to replace The Jungle Cruise which is by all means cracking.

It's awful that now I'm more afraid of what Iger will do to ruin the parks next than excited about new investments. Even the Monsters Inc. land I'm worried is gonna replace the Muppets.

If only they had a popular franchise with a cowboy character they could have used here instead.

I don't think we need any more Toy Story rides. Unless they're in Toy Story Land, obviously.

Yes , I get it, IP is popular, merch sells, the kids like it. But the parks used to be about a higher quality standard. Putting things that made sense in their respective areas. Sorry, but to me Encanto & Indy are still very much a reach for AK, as is Cars for MK.

There's a story that @Magenta Panther has told on this site a lot about Walt: apparently, somebody in merchandising kept badgering Walt to put multiple t-shirt shops all over Disneyland. Walt didn't like the idea. After the guy said "T-shirts make a lot of money, Walt" for a third time, Walt snapped, "Mr. [WHOEVER], the tail does not wag the dog!"

In Iger's Disney, the tail DOES wag the dog. That tail is marketing, merchandising, and how to destroy stuff that they're too cheap and/or lazy to keep running. At this rate we're probably going to get an Inside Out retheme of Space Mountain too.

 

[erasure fan1]

AK is the hottest park to me - feels like the vegetation just ramps up the humidity. Don’t know if that’s true or not but that my experience.

It's not just you. My wife and sister complain about that all the time. Personally I think it's the lack of indoor stuff, so you end up with not enough ac time. Lol

 

[doctornick]

Ever wonder why a day at the Studios can feel exhausting? There's no green, shaded, and water filled area to enjoy and destress.

And ironically they are removing the one attraction that is always available for essentially immediate access in an enclosed air conditioned space. So that’s not great….

 

[SoFloMagic]

Something to that effect. It certainly is the rallying cry of those that want to see everything change. Little known and never repeated though is that he also said:

“I love the nostalgic myself. I hope we never lose some of the things of the past.”

I hope they keep the boat and use it elsewhere. And that they put photos of TSI in wilderness lodge. It's a cool island and it's incredible that it's in the middle of one of the top theme parks in the world.

But with all of us complaining about overcrowding, this added capacity should be cheered by all.

 

[ChrisFL]

Quick, everybody start loving whatever the EPCOT Lagoon show is now....BEFORE ITS TOO LATE!

 

[MrPromey]

Like shoving a Dino Coaster next to a Harry Potter Land and masking it with a few bushes. Wait...who are we talking about?

A company that used put effort into doing better in their parks than Universal?

A company whose fans at one time, wouldn't have pointed to examples at Universal to justify bad decisions on their choices but would instead point to those things at Universal as justifying why they preferred going there instead of Universal, maybe?

Guessing you didn't mean to but I think you've inadvertently hit the nail on the head, here.

 

[doctornick]

TSI can go IMO, but Liberty Square and Frontierland as currently designed simply won't work without the river there. They'll need to be completely overhauled without the waterfront because everything will feel strange/out of place.

I don't know why they didn't just leave a small river, dock the riverboat there, and have the waterfront remain as-is just for that fronting stretch of LS and Frontierland.

This. I’m hoping that cooler heads will prevail and they’ll do this.

 

[basas]

Or... It's an island that gets 400 visitors a day being replaced by two rides that will be experienced by 15,000 a day.

But you know, stir the culture wars pot instead if ya want

Do you have backup for that stat? And the riverboat? They cram a lot of guests on there mid-afternoon.

Don’t blame me for “stirring the culture wars pot”, blame Disney.

 

[WDWhopper]

Didnt walt say somethink like "the park shouldn't me a museum and should continue to evolve"?

Walt Disney once said, "Here in Florida, we have something special we never enjoyed at Disneyland... the blessing of size. There's enough land here to hold all the ideas and plans we can possibly imagine"

Doesn’t sound like he would be a fan of ripping out iconic lands and attractions, when there was enough land to build them elsewhere.