Cars Land, Star Wars Land, Monstropolis...

[MerlinTheGoat]

And yet it's been two years since Cars Land opened at DCA, and not a peep about it coming to WDW. I think it will remain a DCA exclusive in this country. Tokyo, on the other hand...

I didn't say it would happen. I just said you should ignore that reason of soil problems for it isn't happening. Disney and especially TDO are cheap regarding WDW. And whereas Disneyland had John Lasseter to ensure Cars Land turned out well over there (and of course the Oriental Land company for Tokyo), WDW has no one of power willing to stand up for it to ensure a bold and high quality new attraction. According to Martin, DHS plans as a whole have stalled at this point (even Star Wars which was going in a different section from Cars Land).

From the Frozen thread, it sounds like Disney are looking for immensely popular IP's to exploit where they can get away with the minimum effort for WDW. Hence the current plan to repurpose Maelstrom into a Frozen ride using as much value engineering as possible. I would suspect Cars and Star Wars are not so easy to shoehorn in somewhere on the cheap and get the same sort of financial impact as Cars Land. It sounds like the bean counters won out here with Frozen and we're instead likely going to get a value engineered Frozen re-working for Norway. I can see that happening given that they apparently want it done by next year (we stand a chance of even hearing an announcement soon unless the plan is canned, which I hope it is canned).

 

[Kman101]

Rumors had it coming at the beginning of last year, it was practically greenlit, then yanked. So I take it that it was coming and they got cold feet again meaning they didn't want to spend the money (likely), or something better came along that's in development (Star Wars?).

 

[Turtle]

Monsters Inc was a decent movie but you can't tell me the second one wasn't painful to watch and kind of killed any hope at that franchise moving forward.

Monsters University was great...

 

[Cesar R M]

If they can build structures the size of Swan & Dolphin and the new parking garages on similar ground. Then Carsland would be no problem.

I imagine both of these would have a much larger live load and the parking garage a similar live load to Cars Land so its more to do with the will to spend the money than the engineering.

maybe its not a thing of "can or not can".
but rather the cost.. I imagine the framing would need more support in the swamps.. hiking the price of the "cloning" process even higher.

I didn't say it would happen. I just said you should ignore that reason of soil problems for it isn't happening. Disney and especially TDO are cheap regarding WDW. And whereas Disneyland had John Lasseter to ensure Cars Land turned out well over there (and of course the Oriental Land company for Tokyo), WDW has no one of power willing to stand up for it to ensure a bold and high quality new attraction. According to Martin, DHS plans as a whole have stalled at this point (even Star Wars which was going in a different section from Cars Land).

From the Frozen thread, it sounds like Disney are looking for immensely popular IP's to exploit where they can get away with the minimum effort for WDW. Hence the current plan to repurpose Maelstrom into a Frozen ride using as much value engineering as possible. I would suspect Cars and Star Wars are not so easy to shoehorn in somewhere on the cheap and get the same sort of financial impact as Cars Land. It sounds like the bean counters won out here with Frozen and we're instead likely going to get a value engineered Frozen re-working for Norway. I can see that happening given that they apparently want it done by next year (we stand a chance of even hearing an announcement soon unless the plan is canned, which I hope it is canned).

now that makes sense.

 

[ezralou]

I think it was either jt or Jimmy Thick who were initially spreading the drivel about the Orlando soil not able to handle the ride, I would ignore anyone who said such a thing if I were you.

Do you mean they are not one and the same? Seriously, I have never understood the villian status of JT! Now, MP on the other hand...

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

Do you mean they are not one and the same? Seriously, I have never understood the villian status of JT! Now, MP on the other hand...

JTs no villain, just an that never goes to Disney

 

[doctornick]

Valid points. Although Lutz and Miceage said the soil problem was a tough one to overcome around the DHS area.

It's certainly conceivable that the available land in DHS specifically might not be able to support certainly structures. Or at least, it would be prohibitive expense to make such land suitable. That doesn't mean that other land in WDW couldn't work.

I'm not claiming this is the reason that Cars Land isn't coming to DHS (in fact, I doubt it) but if it were true, I wouldn't be completely shocked.

Still, that doesn't mean they can't comfortable come up with something wothwhile in the space currently used by Backlot Tour and LMA.

 

[Kman101]

If they truly wanted Cars Land, they would have found a way to do it.

 

[danlb_2000]

Valid points. Although Lutz and Miceage said the soil problem was a tough one to overcome around the DHS area.

I was trying to be nice. But you might be right and the only thing keeping Cars Land from WDW is the fact that TDO is full of clueless cheap nimrods who have forgotten they are in show business and they just don't want to spend the money.

Do you think Meg Crofton ever knew she was in show business? She was previously an HR exec for Disney, and folks working in corporate HR departments are infamously dull and charmless. Meg Crofton may have never understood what business she was in to begin with, the poor dear.

I would think the Lights Motor's Action Grandstand filled with 5000 guests would weigh more then an equivalent sized section of the RSR rockwork.

 

[Mr. Moderate]

Monsters University was great...

I have to disagree and as a fan of the first one, which was a beautiful movie and a favorite of my two kids back then, I found Monsters University almost painful to watch as well. Much like Cars 2 which had lost much of it's soul as well. Both sequels made money, but were huge disappointments in terms of quality and story.

 

[Sped2424]

And as always my contributions are both informative and entertaining, while just a hint of derision aimed at self important whelks.

So do you quote yourself often then?

 

[DVCOwner]

Here is what I was told:

1. The part of Cars Land that goes underground was the problem.
2. They where going to do it anyway without that part.
3. Stop Everything - Disney purchased Star Wars
4. Star Wars is being worked hard but do not want the same issue as Avatar; so will not formally make public till the design is nearly ready for ground breaking.
5. Annocment should be soon.

This sounds good, but we will just have to see if this all comes to be true.

 

[Captain Chaos]

If they truly wanted Cars Land, they would have found a way to do it.

You know they would have done nothing but card board cut outs which don't look anything like real rock work or mountains..

 

[DVCOwner]

You know they would have done nothing but card board cut outs which don't look anything like real rock work or mountains..

And how do you know this? Because that what they did with the new Mine Train Coaster, wait they did not do that at all. Remarks like this do not add anything to the discussion.

 

[Captain Chaos]

And how do you know this? Because that what they did with the new Mine Train Coaster, wait they did not do that at all. Remarks like this do not add anything to the discussion.

Well, I've read plenty of your nonsense... Pot meet kettle...

And, maybe you need to stop taking every comment about WDW so seriously... You act like your life depends on it... Sometimes, you know, we like to crack jokes about how cheap they are in Orlando...

Getting back to one of the excuses why Carsland wasn't built in DHS.. Some people claimed the land couldn't hold it... Carsland included fake rock structure... If fake rock structures were going to add too much weight on top of everything else, then what else could they have done? Cardboard cut outs, like the backdrops of Streets of America...

 

[jt04]

I think it was either jt or Jimmy Thick who were initially spreading the drivel about the Orlando soil not able to handle the ride, I would ignore anyone who said such a thing if I were you.

Of course given enough of a foundation it could be engineered to work but the ROI would not make it worth it obviously. Carsland was designed specifically to 'cure' the problems at DCA. DHS has no such problems (sightlines, low attendance etc.) So the problem is not specifically an engineering issue, mostly it would be a solution in search of a problem. Or just plain stupid to put it another way.

A mini Carsland however would work as an extension of Pixar Place. IMO.

 

[jt04]

Well, I've read plenty of your nonsense... Pot meet kettle...

And, maybe you need to stop taking every comment about WDW so seriously... You act like your life depends on it... Sometimes, you know, we like to crack jokes about how cheap they are in Orlando...

Getting back to one of the excuses why Carsland wasn't built in DHS.. Some people claimed the land couldn't hold it... Carsland included fake rock structure... If fake rock structures were going to add too much weight on top of everything else, then what else could they have done? Cardboard cut outs, like the backdrops of Streets of America...

Humor does not work without some sort of foundation to it (see how I stick to the thread topic?) especially when the same joke is told every day in every conceivable way year after year. At this point it can only be described as boring.

BTW your Stitch costume was much funnier. Now that you should bring back.

 

[jt04]

Do you mean they are not one and the same? Seriously, I have never understood the villian status of JT! Now, MP on the other hand...

Thanks. My best guess is that I do not suffer fools. So to them I am a villian.

Just to conclude my participation in the thread, I'd like to see Monstrpolis, mini Carsland and Star Wars Land at DHS. (Removal of Indy to do so). And expansion pads established for Pixar franchises in the future on the grounds of the Back Lot tour. Something like that. And I do like the rumor that the GMR might yield to a SW attraction someday.

 

[Ignohippo]

It's certainly conceivable that the available land in DHS specifically might not be able to support certainly structures. Or at least, it would be prohibitive expense to make such land suitable. That doesn't mean that other land in WDW couldn't work.

I'm not claiming this is the reason that Cars Land isn't coming to DHS (in fact, I doubt it) but if it were true, I wouldn't be completely shocked.

Still, that doesn't mean they can't comfortable come up with something wothwhile in the space currently used by Backlot Tour and LMA.

CarsLand would be in the same corner as what's currently LMA. If the land is suitable for the LMA grandstands (as well as the weight of thousands of people), it's certainly suitable for some fake rock and the infrastructure to support it.

More likely CarsLand was yanked:
(A) Because it makes sense to make it a Cali exclusive
(B) There's now been a Cars 2 and Planes since RSR was conceived in Cali, making it somewhat old news (even though it would be great to have at WDW)
(C) Staggs most likely knew the SW deal was in the works.

We're as big of CARS fans as anyone (my son's room is decorated with a CARS theme, including the bed) but I'd honestly rather see areas of the park that are broken (Pixar Place) be redeveloped before tearing down an existing show (LMA) that draws tens of thousands of people to it each and every day. Regardless on the opinions of LMA, it's great to have something that takes up that much capacity in a park that is woefully needing attractions.

If the budget it $200 mil for RSR, I'd rather see that money go towards a MI Door Coaster, Incredibles ride and Bug's Life play area. The back corner, where LMA is now, can be addressed later.

 

[Ignohippo]

I would think the Lights Motor's Action Grandstand filled with 5000 guests would weigh more then an equivalent sized section of the RSR rockwork.

You beat me to it.

The whole "rockwork is too heavy" notion is just silly considering there's a huge grandstand sitting on that same land now.

I still say they need to save the hundreds of millions and use that corner as a CARS "Race Around The World" version of the Indy Speedway. They could even save the sets from LMA. The savings could go into more attractions in Pixar Place.

And, it would make the Indy Speedway at MK expendable.