Captain America 4

[BrianLo]

Is it a private party?

Let’s not do that. People misfire on these damn near across the board

The examples are long and gruesome

Not at all, but do you really butt into a conversation in real life that has been occurring for years and call everyone else dumb out of the blue?

I sure hope not. This was literally a toxic opening salvo, I welcome new members, not blatant trolls running alt accounts.

Recall the last time someone did this I think we talked about it. That user also immediately fire bombed the thread and fled.

 

[Casper Gutman]

What a toxic thread

Disney’s success at the box office in 2024 really upset some folks who let 2023 get their hopes up.

 

[Rambozo]

This company is so bad they don't know how to do a Captain America or Blade movie.

 

[Casper Gutman]

This company is so bad they don't know how to do a Captain America or Blade movie.

They've made several excellent Captain America movies and have handled the (very tricky) character with an enormous amount of skill and nuance.

People are just saying things now.

 

[Willmark]

Cap4 certainly has some interesting headwinds prevailing against it. Not going to delve into the financials of it, it’s well documented.

What I do wonder is if tonally this is going to be all over the place. If the stories of 2 years or so of off and on reshoots are correct I suspect the continuity will be disjointed.

We’ll see.

As far Marvel they had a good year last year, but I don’t think it tells the story people think it does. Deadpool and Wolverine was going to be a success no matter what. That doesn’t mean “Marvel is back” because looking ahead?

Cap4- likely going to be in the Ant Man Quantumania to Marvels to hear it told?

Thunderbolts- unsure of how this goes; obviously the comparisons are to suicide squad and we saw how well that did.

FF- the first family of marvel has not done well on the big screen will this time be different?

After that out of the TV shows only Daredevil Born Again looks like it might have sustained success.

Marvel was wise with the moving of movies and some (as I recall cancellations in 2024) to stop the bleeding. One has to wonder what a very paired down slate in 2025 does.

They will likely be in a big hole to start the year with Cap4. Thunderbolts might not do much better which leaves Marvel pinning their hopes on FF.

Curious times ahead.

 

[Casper Gutman]

Cap4 certainly has some interesting headwinds prevailing against it. Not going to delve into the financials of it, it’s well documented.

What I do wonder is if tonally this is going to be all over the place. If the stories of 2 years or so of off and on reshoots are correct I suspect the continuity will be disjointed.

We’ll see.

As far Marvel they had a good year last year, but I don’t think it tells the story people think it does. Deadpool and Wolverine was going to be a success no matter what. That doesn’t mean “Marvel is back” because looking ahead?

Cap4- likely going to be in the Ant Man Quantumania to Marvels to hear it told?

Thunderbolts- unsure of how this goes; obviously the comparisons are to suicide squad and we saw how well that did.

FF- the first family of marvel has not done well on the big screen will this time be different?

After that out of the TV shows only Daredevil Born Again looks like it might have sustained success.

Marvel was wise with the moving of movies and some (as I recall cancellations in 2024) to stop the bleeding. One has to wonder what a very paired down slate in 2025 does.

They will likely be in a big hole to start the year with Cap4. Thunderbolts might not do much better which leaves Marvel pinning their hopes on FF.

Curious times ahead.

No movie is "going to be a success no matter what." That's an after-the-fact cop-out to avoid dealing with a certain data point people don't like.

 

[Willmark]

No movie is "going to be a success no matter what." That's an after-the-fact cop-out to avoid dealing with a certain data point people don't like.

I was saying that as far back as the spring of last year but hey don’t let that stop you.

And thanks for attending to guess my intentions, got the winning lottery numbers while you’re at it?

 

[Casper Gutman]

I was saying that as far back as the spring of last year but hey don’t let that stop you.

And thanks for attending to guess my intentions, got the winning lottery numbers while you’re at it?

It doesn't matter when you started saying it, its nonsense. Disney could have insisted on unpopular alterations to the characters. The story could have failed to resonate. Any number of things could have gone wrong.

The history of cinema is littered with "can't-miss" films that bombed and longshots that look like sure things in retrospect. Despite a very few missteps, Marvel is very, very good at making films with mass appeal.

And I don't need to "guess" intentions, you're deploying a rhetorical tactic to attempt to dismiss evidence you don't feel is helpful to your argument.

 

[Willmark]

It doesn't matter when you started saying it, it’s nonsense. Disney could have insisted on unpopular alterations to the characters. The story could have failed to resonate. Any number of things could have gone wrong.

It’s beyond highly unlikely people weren’t going to go see the movie. Literally two of the biggest draws Marvel characters wise.

The history of cinema is littered with "can't-miss" films that bombed and longshots that look like sure things in retrospect. Despite a very few missteps, Marvel is very, very good at making films with mass appeal.

They do, their rough patches and just that rough. When the hit, they hit. When they miss they miss. Only question is how big the swing.

And I don't need to "guess" intentions, you're deploying a rhetorical tactic to attempt to dismiss evidence you don't feel is helpful to your argument.

I’m not dismissing anything. I’m pointing out what Disney (wisely) did in 2024. For some reason that seems to not be to your liking.

 

[Disney Irish]

Deadpool and Wolverine was going to be a success no matter what. That doesn’t mean “Marvel is back” because looking ahead?

You personally might have thought it was going to be, but it was far from guaranteed. It could have still failed, no movie is guaranteed to be a hit, let alone make $1B+ at the box office.

 

[Disney Irish]

It’s beyond highly unlikely people weren’t going to go see the movie. Literally two of the biggest draws Marvel characters wise.


They do, their rough patches and just that rough. When the hit, they hit. When they miss they miss. Only question is how big the swing.

I’m not dismissing anything. I’m pointing out what Disney (wisely) did in 2024. For some reason that seems to not be to your liking.

As they say hindsight is always 20/20. You'd be singing a different tune had it failed.

 

[Willmark]

You personally might have thought it was going to be, but it was far from guaranteed. It could have still failed, no movie is guaranteed to be a hit, let alone make a $1B+ at the box office.

In what universe was Deadpool not going to (note the word I chose) be a success?

That’s what I said.

I don’t recall saying anything about how much it would do or even commenting on a billion dollars.

Simple as it can be said.

 

[Willmark]

As they say hindsight is always 20/20. You'd be singing a different tune had it failed.

I would?

Times certainly seem to be tense around here and lots of guessing as to posters intentions.

Whether or not Marvel going to be successful this year isn’t going to impact me; I suspect the same for any other posters.

I’ll watch them at my leisure on Disney+ like I do for SW products these days.

 

[Disney Irish]

In what universe was Deadpool not going to (note the word I chose) be a success?

That’s what I said.

I don’t recall saying anything about how much it would do or even commenting on a billion dollars.

Simple as it can be said.

Any number of reasons, including just the audience not wanting to give it a chance because of recent other MCU entries.

The point is that no movie is a guarantee no matter how we might feel about it.

 

[Agent H]

You personally might have thought it was going to be, but it was far from guaranteed. It could have still failed, no movie is guaranteed to be a hit, let alone make a $1B+ at the box office.

Honestly I think they might have a point dead pool has A specific audience that may not necessarily be interested in the rest of the mcu I still think fantastic 4 will make a huge amount of money
and the Mcu dead narrative is overblown but there were probably a lot of people who went to see it just because they found it funny.

 

[Disney Irish]

I would?

Times certainly seem to be tense around here and lots of guessing as to posters intentions.

Whether or not Marvel going to be successful this year isn’t going to impact me; I suspect the same for any other posters.

I’ll watch them at my leisure on Disney+ like I do for SW products these days.

I'm not guessing intentions here. I'm just saying that you wouldn't be coming in here touting how you called DP&W a success prior to it release. You don't have to guess any intentions to know you wouldn't be doing that if it had failed.

 

[Willmark]

Any number of reasons, including just the audience not wanting to give it a chance because of recent other MCU entries.

The point is that no movie is a guarantee no matter how we might feel about it.

Ahhh now we’re getting somewhere.

IMO, DP & W is almost stand alone from the MCU as in there is that than the rest of the MCU.

I suspect the Deadpool has additional folks to pull in who might not go to say the Marvels by way of example.

 

[Willmark]

Honestly I think they might have a point dead pool has A specific audience that may not necessarily be interested in the rest of the mcu I still think fantastic 4 will make a huge amount of money
and the Mcu dead narrative is overblown but there were probably a lot of people who went to see it just because they found it funny.

Basically this, Deadpool stands on its own in a lot of ways.

 

[Casper Gutman]

Basically this, Deadpool stands on its own in a lot of ways.

Almost no movie in the history of cinema has "stood on its own" LESS then Deadpool & Wolverine.

 

[Willmark]

I'm not guessing intentions here.

You are.

I'm just saying that you wouldn't be coming in here touting how you called DP&W a success prior to it release.

Here was my stance nearly a year ago. Looks like I was even more optimistic then: