Captain America 4

[Sirwalterraleigh]

…wait…someone actually said that JJ Reboot didn’t do a Star Wars remake???

…like…out loud?

 

[Disney Irish]

Hence why I said of course they wouldn't do it. That's the reason. Review bombing isn't a blip on the radar as to why. And If they wanted to to reuse the story, I don't believe Disney would have a problem with doing it. But as you said, that wasn't going to happen.

Kinda sounded like you did. Then why even bring it up.
"You really don't think that the internet would review bomb an MCU movie if it was found out that they had reused the same storyline"
You said it as if it was something disney would be concerned about.

Once again I never made the claim or even alluded to that Disney was making decisions based on review bombing. I was just saying that I don't think they would do something that would also add fuel to the fire in that regard, ie my opinion only.

Wait, so you said, reused the same story line. That's exactly what they did with TFA. Sure it wasn't the same characters, but it's just as bad. So your review bomb statement wouldn't hold true if cap 4 was an identical mcu story they had already done, just with different characters?

In comics different characters fight other characters that others already fought before, its a normal comics trope, so I don't see that as reusing the same story line. But if in the movie Sam fights the exact same character in exact same way as in the show from just 2 years ago (as was the suggestion by the original poster), that is an identical reused story line. Heck I don't even see an issue with reusing a story line when its decades apart, just not when its so soon after its previous use. So if the MCU wants to retell the Sam fight US Agent (Hydra Cap) story again from FatWS in like a decade or two I'd be down to see it, but not 2 years after they already just did it.

 

[Disney Irish]

…wait…someone actually said that JJ Reboot didn’t do a Star Wars remake???

…like…out loud?

No one said such as thing, so calm down.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

No one said such as thing, so calm down.

…just making sure no one said it (recently)

 

[Disney Irish]

…just making sure no one said it (recently)

I have no issue with reboots, remakes, retellings, or even reused story lines in general. My point has been and will continue to be, I have an issue with it being done only 2 years after the previous attempt, and my guess is the public will too.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I have no issue with reboots, remakes, retellings, or even reused story lines in general. My point has been and will continue to be, I have an issue with it being done only 2 years after the previous attempt, and my guess is the public will too.

Are you talking the Spider-Man thing again?

Now it’s my turn: nobody is talking about this…or advocating for it.
It’s just something Hollywood does. And a lot of times that enough. I think no way home was kinda dumb…but it made bank. I think ultimately endgame was a mistake…and it beat records like a red headed stepchild

There are hits that are bad…there are flops…there are good movies out of the mainstream that no one watches or that get cult pull longterm. I can think of a lot of those.

But the contention was the internet taking down movies on an agenda. Maybe people have agnedas?…especially in this current environment or “misplaced rage”…
But I don’t see how vloggers or forums keep a mass audience out of the theater? At least not to outright tank something that is enjoyable

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

And by the way…before amnesia to prove a point sets in. Doing a reboot of Star Wars was the most obvious, dim witted move in Hollywood history. Would have take 4 minutes on the street talking to people to realize no one on the planet wanted a new Version of ANH…Jedi was ridiculed for decades for that and it was no where near as redundant with the characters.

Just a reminder

 

[Disney Irish]

Are you talking the Spider-Man thing again?

Nope, you lost the conversation again.

Now it’s my turn: nobody is talking about this…or advocating for it.
It’s just something Hollywood does. And a lot of times that enough.

Obviously people are talking about, we're talking about it, unless you don't count yourself or any of us people.

I think no way home was kinda dumb…but it made bank. I think ultimately endgame was a mistake…and it beat records like a red headed stepchild

Not sure what any of this has to do with this conversation.

There are hits that are bad…there are flops…there are good movies out of the mainstream that no one watches or that get cult pull longterm. I can think of a lot of those.

But the contention was the internet taking down movies on an agenda. Maybe people have agnedas?…especially in this current environment or “misplaced rage”…
But I don’t see how vloggers or forums keep a mass audience out of the theater? At least not to outright tank something that is enjoyable

I've understood your opinion, understood it the 3000 other times you've said it, but you've continued to miss the whole point in relation to this movie. Which is why I've moved on from that whole thing, its only you and erasure that want to continue discussing it. Just let it go.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Nope, you lost the conversation again.


Obviously people are talking about, we're talking about it, unless you don't count yourself or any of us people.


Not sure what any of this has to do with this conversation.


I've understood your opinion, understood it the 3000 other times you've said it, but you've continued to miss the whole point in relation to this movie. Which is why I've moved on from that whole thing, its only you and erasure that want to continue discussing it. Just let it go.

Now its funny…a pleasure as always

 

[BrianLo]

But this whole discussion was revolving around, review bombing was hurting the films. So in my opinion that's how I took it. So when he says compelling movies find an audience, that's the context I took it under. If strange world was compelling enough, the review bombing wouldn't matter.

Even though I agree you guys on the review bomb piece. We’ve now set an impossible task. Even if I could find a great movie that was review bombed and did poorly… the follow up would be “but it’s not good, look how bad the audience score is”.

Compelling movies do not always find an audience, that’s really not true, but I also don’t think review bombing matters that significantly.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Even though I agree you guys on the review bomb piece. We’ve now set an impossible task. Even if I could find a great movie that was review bombed and did poorly… the follow up would be “but it’s not good, look how bad the audience score is”.

Compelling movies do not always find an audience, that’s really not true, but I also don’t think review bombing matters that significantly.

So I guess the knight has the king pinned in the corner, huh?

 

[erasure fan1]

Even though I agree you guys on the review bomb piece. We’ve now set an impossible task. Even if I could find a great movie that was review bombed and did poorly… the follow up would be “but it’s not good, look how bad the audience score is”.

I think it's being taken too literally. We are never dealing in absolutes. There's no such thing as always or never. You can probably find a movie that was good or compelling that was affected by review bombing. Just as you can probably find a movie that was compelling that didn't find an audience.

In the context of has been talked about here, what @Sirwalterraleigh said holds true in my opinion. Compelling films generally find an audience and the bad/meh, not so much. Review bombing didn't hurt wish, lightyear, strange world, the marvels, the acolyte... They just weren't that good. Things like elemental, Moana and inside out all found an audience with plenty of bogus reviews reviews out there.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I think it's being taken too literally. We are never dealing in absolutes. There's no such thing as always or never. You can probably find a movie that was good or compelling that was effected by review bombing. Just as you can probably find a movie that was compelling that didn't find an audience.

In the context of has been talked about here, what @Sirwalterraleigh said holds true in my opinion. Compelling films generally find an audience and the bad/meh, not so much. Review bombing didn't hurt wish, lightyear, strange world, the marvels, the acolyte... They just weren't that good. Things like elemental, Moana and inside out all found an audience with plenty of bogus reviews reviews out there.

Elemental is a really good example. Wasn’t “review bombed”…per se…but Disney - and Hollywood in general - were hatching stinker after stinker and it suffered out of the gate…but found an audience.

2023: the year of suck

 

[erasure fan1]

Elemental is a really good example. Wasn’t “review bombed”…per se…but Disney - and Hollywood in general - were hatching stinker after stinker and it suffered out of the gate…but found an audience.

2023: the year of suck

They tried with that small part, but it fell on deaf ears. You are correct, it struggled out of the gate, not because of bombing, but because of the poor output prior. Plain and simple.

 

[DKampy]

Deadline is reporting budget for Captain America is 180.,., so that is what I am going with for now …. As that is a reliable trade…. Their projections are 95 Million for the 3 day domestic