Captain America 4

[Vegas Disney Fan]

I think this one will need strong reviews and word of mouth to be a huge hit. Ford is no longer a box office draw. Either is Mackie, and last time we saw his character was a D+ show that was pretty mediocre by most accounts.
But I think the release date could really work in it's favor.

I’m really curious how they’re going to handle the important details from the D+ show, with Covid, filming delays, etc it’s been a loooong time since that show aired, even those of us who watched it could probably benefit from a quick recap.

If this gets good word of mouth I think it could surprise everyone, I think action fans are itching for a good Marvel film, similar to how animation fans were craving a good animation film and turned out in massive numbers for IO2, if the reviews are good I could see the box office for this surprising people just like IO2 did. Maybe not the same ceiling but a billion+ wouldn’t surprise me at all if word of mouth is good.

 

[Disney Irish]

He said it and you came back talking about review bombing. That was your counter, I wasn't using any cheap tactics. I was pointing out that I don't believe it has a big impact. And you think it does, and that's what I was countering.

Actually you were the first to bring up the "guys in a basement" aspect in this thread in relation to that. It is a cheap tactic because its purposely used to belittle a poster when there is no other point to be made to try and shut them down. In fact I don't believe I've even seen you use that term any other place until this thread, maybe I'm wrong, but its not something you usually bring up. And its why I say you're better than that, because even if I disagree with you I've known you to at least be able to maintain conversation without stooping down to that level.

Really? Of the worlds movie going population? I guess I should clarify, what do you feel is a significant percentage?

Yes I did say that. I also said there's a difference between review bombing and what I said was most important. And that's word of mouth. By me saying reviews can be important doesn't mean review bombing has some great impact.

As for the rest, I've said my peace. I've also brought up now multiple times, something that no one has countered yet, Feige isn't going to reuse a story line so soon after its use in a movie or tv show, doesn't matter if people here don't think many people saw it, its just not going to happen. There is plenty of other stories to tell in the MCU without having to repeat something that was just told 2 years prior, that is something that DC does with their numerous reboots, the MCU doesn't do that and I hope they won't for a long time to come.

 

[erasure fan1]

Actually you were the first to bring up the "guys in a basement" aspect in this thread in relation to that. It is a cheap tactic because its purposely used to belittle a poster when there is no other point to be made to try and shut them down.

Yes, I described the original statement as guys in basement as the original argument. That was incorrect. It was a few trolls and vloggers, he's used basement many times before so I apologize I got it wrong. I'm not sure how the two are all that different but the point still stands, you brought up review bombing so that's what I was responding to. I wasn't trying to belittle you. Here's what I was responding to, the statement and response.

It’s not a few trolls on pods or vlogs

Which is the exact hope of those that review bomb a movie or show, to have an impact on audience opinions.

And I stand by what I say, that review bombing just doesn't really do anything in long run. It doesn't matter who it is, that was the point.

 

[Disney Irish]

Yes, I described the original statement as guys in basement as the original argument. That was incorrect. It was a few trolls and vloggers, he's used basement many times before so I apologize I got it wrong. I'm not sure how the two are all that different but the point still stands, you brought up review bombing so that's what I was responding to. I wasn't trying to belittle you. Here's what I was responding to, the statement and response.



And I stand by what I say, that review bombing just doesn't really do anything in long run. It doesn't matter who it is, that was the point.

It might not have been your intent, but its still a term used to belittle another during an argument, similar to the term "take off the tin foil hat". Which again I think you're better than that, or at least I hope you are.

Whether you think review bombing has an impact or not was and continues to be beside the point, as you guys have missed the whole reason why it was brought up in the first place. The whole point was that Feige and team aren't going to reuse a story line so soon after its use in a previous show or movie, it doesn't matter if SirWalt thinks no one saw it. They aren't going to give any review bombers any ammunition to add fuel to the fire. So even if I was to agree with you, I don't, but if I did and agreed they aren't effective, it doesn't matter. They aren't going to reuse a story line, period, end of story.

We've gone on and on about this, there isn't anymore to say on it in my opinion as we're just repeating things, so I think we've come to the end of this.

So back to the actual movie discussion.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Yes, I described the original statement as guys in basement as the original argument. That was incorrect. It was a few trolls and vloggers, he's used basement many times before so I apologize I got it wrong. I'm not sure how the two are all that different but the point still stands, you brought up review bombing so that's what I was responding to. I wasn't trying to belittle you. Here's what I was responding to, the statement and response.



And I stand by what I say, that review bombing just doesn't really do anything in long run. It doesn't matter who it is, that was the point.

Compelling movies find audiences…

Unwanted ones are ignored

 

[DKampy]

Compelling movies find audiences…

There you go talking in absolutes again…. That is not always the case

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

There you go talking in absolutes again…. That is not always the case

Name one…just one

 

[Disney Irish]

There you go talking in absolutes again…. That is not always the case

I also didn't realize reusing the same story line was considered compelling, I had always thought it was consider lazy and sloppy storytelling. I guess Feige and team missed that memo when they decided to skip retelling the on-screen death of Uncle Ben origin story for Spider-Man in the MCU because it had been done already multiple times.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I also didn't realize reusing the same story line was considered compelling, I had always thought it was consider lazy and sloppy storytelling. I guess Feige and team missed that memo when they decided to skip retelling the Uncle Ben origin story for Spider-Man in the MCU because it had been done already multiple times.

That’s why I said “compelling”…not “good”

Those aren’t the same adjectives


But I wait for the one movie that should have had an audience, but didn’t due to evil conspiracy?

Time to show your hand, apologists

 

[Disney Irish]

That’s why I said “compelling”…not “good”

Those aren’t the same adjectives

So retelling the death of Uncle Ben story line again for the 3rd time for Peter's intro into the MCU when it was just told 5 years prior would have been "compelling"?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

So retelling the death of Uncle Ben story line again for the 3rd time for Peter's intro into the MCU when it was just told 5 years prior would have been "compelling"?

You haven’t noticed super hero movies sell?

Or are we doing the “selectively obtuse me thing today?

 

[Disney Irish]

You haven’t noticed super hero movies sell?

Or are we doing the “selectively obtuse me thing today?

That didn't answer the question.

What would be so compelling about telling the same death of Uncle Ben story again so soon after it was already just told?

 

[DKampy]

Name one…just one

Just to name a couple of movies that both critics and audiences loved from this year but did not do well…. Transformers one , Fall Guy, and Firiousa…. And to be fair I am only looking at the Blockbustery type as I know not everyone watches the smaller movies

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Just to name a couple of movies that both critics and audiences loved from this year but did not do well…. Transformers one , Fall Guy, and Firiousa…. And to be fair I am only looking at the Blockbustery type as I know not everyone watches the smaller movies

One was a cartoon version of a very oversaturated franchise

Tall guy was presented like a rom com…which are not blockbuster material
I also think Hollywood loves Emily blunt more than everywhere outside Hollywood does?

Furiosa was the most surprising…though an “anthology” of a fanbase that’s always kinda been overestimated might be the problem. If anything…fury road way over performed as a sleeper hit

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

That didn't answer the question.

What would be so compelling about telling the same death of Uncle Ben story again so soon after it was already just told?

Audiences like Spider-Man…that doesn’t mean I like to see it 6 times…they just do

Hence “compelling”

But don’t worry…marvel is really gonna put that superhero draw to the test again the coming
Months

 

[DKampy]

One was a cartoon version of a very oversaturated franchise

Tall guy was presented like a rom com…which are not blockbuster material
I also think Hollywood loves Emily blunt more than everywhere outside Hollywood does?

Furiosa was the most surprising…though an “anthology” of a fanbase that’s always kinda been overestimated might be the problem. If anything…fury road way over performed as a sleeper hit

You did not say other reasons…. You phrased it as an absolute

 

[Disney Irish]

Audiences like Spider-Man…that doesn’t mean I like to see it 6 times…they just do

Hence “compelling”

But don’t worry…marvel is really gonna put that superhero draw to the test again the coming
Months

Right, so you can't answer the question.

There is nothing compelling about seeing Uncle Ben die for the 3rd time in yet another origin story, especially not again in 5 years from the previous time he died. Its why Feige specifically skipped it, and said so at the time.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Right, so you can't answer the question.

There is nothing compelling about seeing Uncle Ben die for the 3rd time in yet another origin story, especially not again in 5 years from the previous time he died. Its why Feige specifically skipped it, and said so at the time.

I told you the answer: Spider-Man

I’m not supporting what audiences do…just acknowledging that they tend to be predictable.

You don’t have to agree and have full license to argue…which is assured

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

You did not say other reasons…. You phrased it as an absolute

Generally speaking…

How is the whether in Minnesota today?

And were those movies good? Not enough to breakthrough obviously

 

[Disney Irish]

I told you the answer: Spider-Man

I’m not supporting what audiences do…just acknowledging that they tend to be predictable.

You don’t have to agree and have full license to argue…which is assured

Just saying Spider-Man isn't an answer. Also Feige must not have the same memo that you do since he purposely skipped it because it actually wasn't compelling.

Also if its such a compelling thing to retell the same story over and over and over in Super Hero movies then why is Gunn also skipping the origin story of Superman and starting right when Clark is at the Daily Planet? You'd think he'd have gotten your memo that audiences don't care and will just watch it all over again because its "compelling".