Cameron has given the OK ...

[Disneyhead'71]

I think we may be putting to much emphasis on Cameron's dedication to quality. Yes, in his film making he is a stickler for quality, but that doesn't mean he knows squat about how quality in theme park attractions is judged.

 

[Beholder]

I think we may be putting to much emphasis on Cameron's dedication to quality. Yes, in his film making he is a stickler for quality, but that doesn't mean he knows squat about how quality in theme park attractions is judged.

Cameron may not know so much about the theme park attractions and what makes one "better" than another, but going by what's been said about his personality, I'd bet he will have no problem voicing his displeasure over a half hearted attempt to bring his creation to life.

 

[Disneyhead'71]

Cameron may not know so much about the theme park attractions and what makes one "better" than another, but going by what's been said about his personality, I'd bet he will have no problem voicing his displeasure over a half hearted attempt to bring his creation to life.

If he gets that it's half-hearted.

 

[JungleTrekFan]

Cameron may not know so much about the theme park attractions and what makes one "better" than another, but going by what's been said about his personality, I'd bet he will have no problem voicing his displeasure over a half hearted attempt to bring his creation to life.

I think that, as much as people are pessimistic about a phase two ever happening, i think that its would be the way to go. We all know including TDO that AK needs a higher draw to its park. Building two phases would get more attractions into AK faster. Previously only a kids mini land and Everest and Yak and Yeti were built, this would be a new land with at least 2 attraction, restaurants etc. and building a new FotLK theater in Africa. Thats a pretty big plan. Now i know people are gona hate that idea, but its a whole new land, not the usual, build one ride. and its not some C ticket from DCA, its a completely innovative attraction and an immersive c ticket (which AK needs since all it has are E tickets and the trails which i guess are C ticket).

These two attractions don’t look like they could possibly take up all of the land in that corner of the park so I’m sure, some where down the road, more will be added to it, Especially if Cameron wants it to happen.

 

[LOSTllama]

I think we may be putting to much emphasis on Cameron's dedication to quality. Yes, in his film making he is a stickler for quality, but that doesn't mean he knows squat about how quality in theme park attractions is judged.

I think others here have said that Cameron was involved in the making of the Terminator shows at the Universal parks... That show is very well done and is easily one of the best 3D/4D shows stateside... If he was truly involved in those shows, then I am optimistic about what he can help facilitate for Pandora...

 

[RSoxNo1]

Same goes for Test Track once RSR happens. Epcot is becoming more and more irrelevant the more they sit back and do nothing.

We don't know that. I think it's also possible that Test Track looks more advanced than RSR. Also, the ride system on those two attractions are less integral than the projection system in Soarin and the Avatar simulator.

 

[luv]

The Terminator attraction was amazing when it first came out. Put all the other 3-D stuff to shame. It is still pretty decent, even all these years later.

But the Terminator movies were good ones, too.

Avatar is just a snoozefest. It will have to be wildly impressive on its own merits...completely unrelated to the movie...for me to like it, especially if it is stuck into the AK, where it just should not be. If they'd put it into the Studios, it could be less good and not have to justify its presence. IMO, anyway.

 

[flynnibus]

We don't know that. I think it's also possible that Test Track looks more advanced than RSR. Also, the ride system on those two attractions are less integral than the projection system in Soarin and the Avatar simulator.

You mean they have hidden acres of nearly 100ft of rockwork in there?
Or they have truck sized AAs in there?
Or nearly a dozen car sized AAs with cutting edge materials and projection integration?

I find your 'optimism' a bit exaggerated...

 

[Alektronic]

Indeed. Orlandos issue isn't so much dirty film, it's dirt ON film. IMAX projection rooms are meant to be sterile, and be sealed to outside air. DCAs is a true clean room. Epcots is a cheap room with an air handling system that can't hope to do the same. Hence dirt and dust in the air gets onto the film and projector glasswork.

The biggest problem with Soarin’ is the projection booth, like others have said it needs to be kept very clean. Any dust, mold, mildew, etc. will affect the show quality of the film, but the film isn’t the big problem itself, it is the “Field Flattener” , basically 2 pieces of glass with a vacuum system that pulls the film in and keeps it flat and steady and that vacuum system also pulls all kinds of dust and specks. The Field Flattener also has a wiper bar that can clean the lens, so most of the time it is the Field Flattener that needs cleaning not the film itself.

But unlike at most IMAX movie theaters the Field Flattener is cleaned between every show, Soarin’ was being cleaned once a day at night and now it is being cleaned twice a day. It could probably be cleaned more often, but there isn’t that many projectionists and even fewer IMAX trained projectionists.

 

[Atomicmickey]

The biggest problem with Soarin’ is the projection booth, like others have said it needs to be kept very clean. Any dust, mold, mildew, etc. will affect the show quality of the film, but the film isn’t the big problem itself, it is the “Field Flattener” , basically 2 pieces of glass with a vacuum system that pulls the film in and keeps it flat and steady and that vacuum system also pulls all kinds of dust and specks. The Field Flattener also has a wiper bar that can clean the lens, so most of the time it is the Field Flattener that needs cleaning not the film itself.

But unlike at most IMAX movie theaters the Field Flattener is cleaned between every show, Soarin’ was being cleaned once a day at night and now it is being cleaned twice a day. It could probably be cleaned more often, but there isn’t that many projectionists and even fewer IMAX trained projectionists.

Interesting. So, you're saying, they know this is a problem, and they do TRY to deal with it
as best they can, just given their facility they can't keep up? Sounds like you have that information.

Interesting to get that picture of "the real world". I'd think most around here think that they're
just not cleaning it. Good to hear that they're at least trying with what they've got. I, for one,
like to hear that there are people who care and are trying to make the best of a bad thing.
Let's hope they get some help, but sounds like Soarin might need a refurb of the projection
area to get it done.

 

[spacemt354]

You mean they have hidden acres of nearly 100ft of rockwork in there?
Or they have truck sized AAs in there?
Or nearly a dozen car sized AAs with cutting edge materials and projection integration?

I find your 'optimism' a bit exaggerated...

None of those nice features you listed have to do with the fundamental ride system of RSR. The poster was simply stating that we don't know for sure whether the newly revamped test track ride system will be obsolete in comparison to the RSR ride system, or if they have advanced the ride system forward. Having 100ft of rock or truck AA's, while nice additional features, have nothing to do with the ride system, and I believe that was all the poster was referring to.

 

[wdwmagic]

None of those nice features you listed have to do with the fundamental ride system of RSR. The poster was simply stating that we don't know for sure whether the newly revamped test track ride system will be obsolete in comparison to the RSR ride system, or if they have advanced the ride system forward. Having 100ft of rock or truck AA's, while nice additional features, have nothing to do with the ride system, and I believe that was all the poster was referring to.

I don't believe there are any changes to the ride system at Test Track. All of the changes are pre and post show, and scenic.

 

[Alektronic]

I don't believe there are any changes to the ride system at Test Track. All of the changes are pre and post show, and scenic.

No changes to the ride system at all, exactly the same ride. A lot of changes to the show inside, a lot of blacklights, glow in the dark stuff, new lighting package, a lot of projectors and screens.

 

[truecoat]

I think others here have said that Cameron was involved in the making of the Terminator shows at the Universal parks... That show is very well done and is easily one of the best 3D/4D shows stateside... If he was truly involved in those shows, then I am optimistic about what he can help facilitate for Pandora...

Cameron was more than involved, he wrote and directed the film portion of T2-3D. I'm sure he'll do the same for the new rides as well. It was also filmed at a higher frame rate, 30 frames per second.

 

[RSoxNo1]

You mean they have hidden acres of nearly 100ft of rockwork in there?
Or they have truck sized AAs in there?
Or nearly a dozen car sized AAs with cutting edge materials and projection integration?

I find your 'optimism' a bit exaggerated...

"Look more advanced" - This doesn't mean that Test Track will be better, but it sounds like the new Test Track may be less of a passive experience than Radiator Springs Racers. The ride system in this case a matter of conveyance through different show scenes. The show scenes themselves will be entirely different so I don't really see it as being an apt comparison. Comparitively, with Soarin' vs. Avatar Simulator, it's fair to say that it is a true upgrade on every aspect of Soarin', more motion in the simulator, better projection, 3D.

 

[janoimagine]

It was also filmed at a higher frame rate, 30 frames per second.

What was / is the advantage of doing that for?

 

[flynnibus]

"Look more advanced" - This doesn't mean that Test Track will be better, but it sounds like the new Test Track may be less of a passive experience than Radiator Springs Racers. The ride system in this case a matter of conveyance through different show scenes. The show scenes themselves will be entirely different so I don't really see it as being an apt comparison

When I read 'more advanced' - I'm thinking of the attraction in general, and those are in play. Certainly most people would find the Mater and Lightning AAs as 'more advanced' than a video projection... and huge physical sets more 'advanced' than blackouts with narrow areas of attention focusing the view of guests.

I don't see the show scenes being 'entirely different' - more like redressed to mean something different. I think you'll see a lot more repurposing than you might be thinking. I'd be willing to wager you will be walking away with thoughts like 'well that was the cold room before, now they've redressed it to be the XYZ room'

 

[danv3]

Avatarland...Star Wars Land. Hmmmmm. I wonder which most visitors to WDW would prefer. LOL.

 

[ChrisM]

Avatarland...Star Wars Land. Hmmmmm. I wonder which most visitors to WDW would prefer. LOL.

Who cares? Both, please.

 

[Skyway]

You think Disney killed the motorbike coaster from Avatar knowing it would make an even better (and more marketable) Star Wars Speeder Bike coaster?