News Buzzy’s been stolen?

[Cheekylittlerobot]

I know right? Some of us really would like to talk about what REALLY matters, like WDW toilet paper quality.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Yet another update. Very in depth. There's now more than 3 insiders claiming buzzy has been stolen.

Ummm... this....

If Buzzy was stolen and Disney is telling "news sources" that Buzzy was stolen, then where are the "news sources" that would be saying right bout now: "We've reached out to Disney and asked if Buzzy was stolen, and they have indeed confirmed that Buzzy was stolen."?

'Cause, I can't find them. All the news sources that are reporting on this keep mentioning the theft of clothes, not Buzzy itself.

 

[BasiltheBatLord]

The new Sonswa vid is really interesting. Detailed stories of every time he was caught at Disney. They tried to charge him with felony burglary for DisneyQuest but the State dropped it.

 

[DeletedAccount55555]

Ummm... this....

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If Buzzy was stolen and Disney is telling "news sources" that Buzzy was stolen, then where are the "news sources" that would be saying right bout now: "We've reached out to Disney and asked if Buzzy was stolen, and they have indeed confirmed that Buzzy was stolen."?

'Cause, I can't find them. All the news sources that are reporting on this keep mentioning the theft of clothes, not Buzzy itself.

Spot on. This site and others are just claiming they have sources but not quoting anyone, even with a background comment. Why should ANYONE trust that?

And is really implying that the Orlando Sentinel or any of the local TV stations didn’t reach out to Disney for comment?

 

[invader]

The new Sonswa vid is really interesting. Detailed stories of every time he was caught at Disney. They tried to charge him with felony burglary for DisneyQuest but the State dropped it.

I just watched it. I can’t get over how dumb someone has to be to go back to where you’ve already been basically escorted out. That’s just asking for it.

 

[TwilightZone]

Personally, I don't mind MattSonswa, because... let's face it, I want to see the things he films, and if he's willing to take the risks I would never take, more power to him.

It was so nice to get updates on WOL's condition as there wasn't really any photos or videos of it for years up to the point when he uploaded it.
Also the disneyquest video was great too.
IDK I always loved abandoned and dead area videos.

 

[TwilightZone]

I think the big thing people are missing is that multiple insiders, including the very spot on marni, are backing this story up. I could understand distrusting just one, but when so many are backing up the claims, there's little to no reason to distrust.

 

[MisterPenguin]

I think the big thing people are missing is that multiple insiders, including the very spot on marni, are backing this story up.

What @marni1971 said was purposefully vague. An "unauthorized removal" is not necessarily theft if one department within WDW removed it without going through the proper channels. Or, it could mean theft. Purposefully vague and can't be used to definitively say one way or the other, except to confirm Buzzy isn't there in WoL any more.

And besides Martin, who are the other insiders saying Buzzy was stolen? Links please.

 

[TwilightZone]

What @marni1971 said was purposefully vague. An "unauthorized removal" is not necessarily theft if one department within WDW removed it without going through the proper channels. Or, it could mean theft. Purposefully vague and can't be used to definitively say one way or the other, except to confirm Buzzy isn't there in WoL any more.

And besides Martin, who are the other insiders saying Buzzy was stolen? Links please.

True, true.
The other insiders, or at least somewhat reputable people, I've found besides dreamfinderguy are wdwnd (intentionally mispelled just in case), leonard kinsey, and john gregor.

For large stretches we have BDD (I'm not sure how much we can trust of him after those police documents) and @hecallsmepp (seems to be just a normal disney fan account).

 

[goldenstate5]

This doesn’t update anything. It’s the same three “inside” sources-marni, *****, and Kinsey. None of those people are naming their sources or offering any proof. This particular article just summarized the situation but said they were “leaving it up to readers” to decide what happened.

As the writer of this article I have to say that I don't think you quite got what I'm saying. So many people are obsessed with sources, facts and logic that the presumable outcome is that it didn't happen because... well because, there's not enough "proof". Yet in my article I break down so much of the reasons why this could be a fact since there is evidence and reasonable doubt out there. It's not enough to just pout and say "where's your sources?!", it's for you to come to an educated outcome. If you think it didn't happen, that's on you but I think it's disingenuous to say that only because nothing official has been leaked out yet.

 

[MisterPenguin]

So many people are obsessed with sources, facts and logic that the presumable outcome is that it didn't happen because... well because, there's not enough "proof".

Yeah... you're not getting what those of us looking for sources, facts, and logic are saying. But nice ad hominem there telling us how wrong we are because we're "obsessed."

We've been saying we don't really know what happened. We are not saying a theft didn't occur. We're being suspicious of two groups:

1. People who say it was stolen but can't provide proof.​

2. People who say it's *likely* it was stolen (which I think is your stance, no?) because of all this hearsay.​

So, no, we're not coming to the conclusion it wasn't stolen because we don't have an actual, reliable source yet. We're saying we can't come to a conclusion yet in response to the people in points #1 and #2 above.

As to what's *likely* to have happened based on an educated *guess*, I pose this to you...

1. If Buzzy was stolen, why would WDW make an official report the clothes were stolen but not the AA?​

2. If people are saying "it's confirmed" in some way... where are those confirmations coming from? (Especially Tom Corless's tweet saying WDW is confirming this to news sources... what news sources? Why aren't those purported news sources reporting they spoke to Disney and got a quote on the subject?)​

 

[marni1971]

I’m sure the whole sordid truth will be clear soon.

 

[s8film40]

Yeah... you're not getting what those of us looking for sources, facts, and logic are saying. But nice ad hominem there telling us how wrong we are because we're "obsessed."

We've been saying we don't really know what happened. We are not saying a theft didn't occur. We're being suspicious of two groups:

1. People who say it was stolen but can't provide proof.​

2. People who say it's *likely* it was stolen (which I think is your stance, no?) because of all this hearsay.​

So, no, we're not coming to the conclusion it wasn't stolen because we don't have an actual, reliable source yet. We're saying we can't come to a conclusion yet in response to the people in points #1 and #2 above.

As to what's *likely* to have happened based on an educated *guess*, I pose this to you...

1. If Buzzy was stolen, why would WDW make an official report the clothes were stolen but not the AA?​

2. If people are saying "it's confirmed" in some way... where are those confirmations coming from? (Especially Tom Corless's tweet saying WDW is confirming this to news sources... what news sources? Why aren't those purported news sources reporting they spoke to Disney and got a quote on the subject?)​

Yeah I think this summarizes the key points perfectly.

I would add to this that the report of clothing being stolen casts some doubt on most of the “insiders” giving us information on this topic. Unless I missed something I don’t believe any of them ever mentioned this point prior to the report coming out. An easy assumption to make is that they did get some kernel of truth and had to fill in holes themeselves and simply jumped to the conclusion that the animatronic was stolen. That’s certainly the more exciting story and garners more attention. Having supposedly now two seperate thefts is a pretty big detail to miss.

 

[goldenstate5]

As to what's *likely* to have happened based on an educated *guess*, I pose this to you...

1. If Buzzy was stolen, why would WDW make an official report the clothes were stolen but not the AA?​

2. If people are saying "it's confirmed" in some way... where are those confirmations coming from? (Especially Tom Corless's tweet saying WDW is confirming this to news sources... what news sources? Why aren't those purported news sources reporting they spoke to Disney and got a quote on the subject?)​

1. Because that's an incident report and it's very likely they kept the report open and added it to the investigation, as the police and Disney do not have to reveal the entire information since it's active.
2. I'm not quite sure you know how this whole "source" thing works, I even claimed there was reason to doubt Corless' bizarre remark... but that doesn't mean you can discredit other sources, and what they're saying. That's how insiders like Martin function, do you think they would just go and scream out who told them? No, but that doesn't mean we should distrust.

All I'm saying is to fully examine the case from all angles, but to acknowledge that we don't know everything yet... and that's not exactly enough to say yes or no. I for one, am leaning towards theft but I can't say I'm 100% certain on it. I also find it bizarre that some are insistent on being 100% certain it wasn't either.

 

[iHeartDisneylandCats]

I’m sure the whole sordid truth will be clear soon.

Yeah, at this point I'm taking everything that comes out with a grain of salt, unless it comes from you or official documentation. There's so much conflicting info, that it's hard to trust any of it. You've proven many many times that stuff slowly reveals itself, so I trust you with this more than anyone.

 

[Alice a]

Slightly off topic, but does anyone know how they actually keep banned persons out of the park. I used to work the gates at EPCOT and I can say it never came up in training or during the day to day.

I don't know how, exactly, but in Kinsey's Dark Side of Disney book, he mentions how some friends of his jumped the gate as dumb teenagers and that, decades later, one of them was trying to book a Disney wedding and the woman on the phone was very accommodating and pleasant, and then paused, put him on hold for a long while, and then told him they couldn't proceed because he had a lifetime ban.

I forget how it worked out for him, but that means there must be some kind of internal database (which, if it works even 70% of the time, is more than I can say for my MDE account or their website.)

 

[Kamikaze]

Slightly off topic, but does anyone know how they actually keep banned persons out of the park. I used to work the gates at EPCOT and I can say it never came up in training or during the day to day.

The simple answer is: They don't. You're told you are banned from the property, and if you come back you'll be charged with trespass. So if you come back and they have an interaction with you for whatever reason, they'll charge you and kick you out. They don't actually check as you enter.

 

[peter11435]

The simple answer is: They don't. You're told you are banned from the property, and if you come back you'll be charged with trespass. So if you come back and they have an interaction with you for whatever reason, they'll charge you and kick you out. They don't actually check as you enter.

Exactly. It doesn’t phycially prevent you from coming back just gives them the ability to have you arrested when you do.

 

[The Mom]

Is there a very simple explanation? The clothing was stolen - I think that has been positively confirmed. Maybe someone then decided that the animatronic (now "naked") should be quietly moved to a safer location? In the meantime, someone else heard about the theft, (even a CM) went to "check it out - or even get photos of a naked Buzzy - and he was missing. He then put 2+2 together and got 5. The rumor of the stolen clothes was wrong - Buzzy himself was stolen!

Edited - many posters have been thinking, and have already posted, the same thoughts. Sorry.

 

[TheIndoorKid]

I mean, we're all having a laugh, right? Obviously, Nicolas Cage stole the thing.