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DisneyMusician2

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Gentlemen, gentlemen...let's simmer down, now.

I'll settle this.
Both of you tell me everything you know about the Potter project and I'll declare who's right and wrong.

Only fair way to do it, as I see it....

:lookaroun

It's like having an appeal with the Supreme Court...:ROFLOL:

No matter what Potterland is like, I find it difficult to believe that it will alter the balance of power in Florida to the degree that people are suggesting. Will it boost USF attendance? Probably. Will it continue to do so in the long run? Who knows!

Some popular concepts last, some don't. We'll also have to see what the quality is like. But I'm anxious to see what they come up with.
 

mcjaco

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I love how we're arguing about the ride capacity of a ride that's already running into tremendous delays.

:zipit: Whatever.
 

mcjaco

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Oh yeah. And the ride capacity. You're wrong. Here's info on The Hulk:

Amusement Park: Universal Studios Islands of Adventure (Orlando, Florida 32819 USA)Classification: Roller CoasterType: Steel - Sit DownStatus: Operating since 5/28/1999Make / Model: Bolliger & Mabillard / Sitting CoasterDesigner: Ing.-Büro Stengel GmbHLift / Launch System: Tire Propelled LaunchCapacity: 1920 riders per hour

So it won't even have that highest capacity in the park, let alone THE WORLD. :hammer:
 

csm

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Gentlemen, gentlemen...let's simmer down, now.

I'll settle this.
Both of you tell me everything you know about the Potter project and I'll declare who's right and wrong.

Only fair way to do it, as I see it....

:lookaroun

The only problem I see is that I've told you more about the Potter project through PMs in the course of the past year than you've seem to known on your own with this one :lol:

Fishing for new info, my friend? :)
 

csm

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Say that each of these robotic arms has a capacity of 8 (which I'm guessing is higher, it will probably be 4, like in this video). For this ride to have the highest capacity of any theme park ride, it would have to have at least 3 tracks, probably 4. The dispatch could conceivably be as frequent as space mountain, but even that has 6 people per car, and duel tracks. Couple all this with the fact that this ride will be the first of it's kind, and it's pretty safe to assume that maintenance, and capacity are going to be the biggest problems Universal will encounter.

Oh my. No. Not at all. Potter is four accross just like you figured it probably will be. Each vehicle is a single row (in other words, it's not a train of any sort.) The dispatch interval is either 6 or 7 seconds. There is only one track, period, and that one track is MUCH shorter than Test Track (which has a similar dispatch interval but room for two additional riders per car.)

Do the math on this one. They're in for a nightmare. And that's not even mentioning the height requirement, which singles out most of Potter's intended demographic (you know, the people the books were written for as opposed to us dorky adults that got into them anyway!)
 

csm

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The ride has dual-loading platforms and is a continuous loading ride system in the vein of an omni-mover and Hollywood RockIt.

And that folks, is as much as you will ever get from me in a public forum on Harry Potter!

The ride has a second load track in the event of a backup on the first. It is not intended to be used as a split station. Granted *that* is the only aspect of it that could easily change.

And it is not at all an omnimover. Continuous loading, yes. Continuous dispatching, no. Think Peter Pan's Flight.
 

csm

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I love how we're arguing about the ride capacity of a ride that's already running into tremendous delays.

:zipit: Whatever.

One of the (many) delays actually *is* capacity related. Someone who actually carry. (I wonder if it's our friend Pheneix? :wave:) When that was pitched the project, shall we say, over-embellished what the system couldfinally figured out, after they'd already *purchased* the ride system, the then went into scramble mode to try and figure out how they could make the thing run at a respectable capacity. Originally I believe the dispatch interval was intended to be around 10 or so seconds, meaning that's how often a car would leave the station. Granted it's not much, and it's not much more than 7 seconds, but in terms of an effect in a single scene, those additional 3 seconds might be critical to actually see the whole thing happen. As it stands right now, that's not as likely to happen, unless they accept the fact that they're going to have to sarcrifice capacity for quality, which they're not very interested in doing.
 

csm

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Oh yeah. And the ride capacity. You're wrong. Here's info on The Hulk:



So it won't even have that highest capacity in the park, let alone THE WORLD. :hammer:

Yeah, and Popeye & Bluto's Bilgerat Barges is north of 3,000. I think the actual number is close to 3,400 people per hour.
 

Buried20KLeague

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Right there with you buddy. Although honestly I didn't really like TDL as a park, but almost every attraction when compared around was the better version. The park just annoyed me because it was so spread out and felt completely concrete because every inch of it was walkways to handle the massive crowds. It lacked the landscaping that makes a park like Disneyland feel so intricate. It also annoyed me that because of the massive paths and endless concrete, it was difficult to tell where one land ended and the next began. This was especially evident leaving Tomorrowland. Look - there's the entrance to Toontown. And here's some Fantasyland buildings. So why are the Star Jets fifty feet off in the distance?

Your post makes it sound as though you have not yet been to Disneyland Resort Paris. If that is the case, let me just tell you, while they do not have nearly as many attractions as the other Magic Kingdom parks do (excluding Hong Kong, of course) it is so impressively beautiful. So many things in that park are just downright *stunning*. Phantom Manor will leave you never being able to ride Haunted Mansion again. Pirates of the Caribbean will leave you never being able to ride any other Pirates again. it's a small world (YES, I'm not kidding) will leave you, well, I assume you were never able to ride it's a small world again anyway, but this one is GOOD. Not good, GREAT even. I REALLY dig the art direction and brighter, bolder colors used throughout (Sorry Mary Blair, no disrespect. Your stuff is classic, but sometimes classic also equals dated). Now here's the thing - Personally, I absolutely LOVE Space Mountain, but every time I rode it, it was de la terré a la lune. I have not been on Mission 2. I'm sure the ride is still fun, but the new music just annoys me. Anyway the real point is, know it is very, very, very, very, very, very, very, VERY rough. It's an AWESOME, INTENSE ride the likes of which Disney will probably never build again, but it IS a 14 year old Vekoma looping coaster, and it's aged like any other Vekoma out there. TRY to look past how painful it is to see how it is far superior in theming and story to any other Space Mountain. I SWEAR it's worth the beating that you will take.

VERY jealous that you went to TDR in June. When I went, it was Mid-March, and the weather was literally 30s for a high every day, and extremely windy, yet the parks were open from 8am to 11pm and you BETTER BELIEVE we stayed in them every second haha. Only time in my life I literally wore two pairs of pants at a time, and I was still freezing. It was so far beyond unpleasant it's not even funny. But it was worth if for Journey!




Well, this is the thought I pose to you-

One day many years ago there was a young, inexperienced kid named Anthony Baxter. I realize the guy is a total gem, but there's GOT to be another Tony Baxter out there somewhere. It's the nature of the industry. People can't do it forever. If there wasn't up-and-coming talent on the horizon, the industry wouldn't have lasted as long as it has.

I realize that things haven't been the brightest, but I'd put good money on a brighter tomorrow at WDI. With *ahem* let's say speed bumps like Marty Sklar pushed into fake "ambassador" roles to get him out of power, and people with actual vision like Lassiter taking the helm, good things can happen. Trowbridge is a talented guy as well, who has been hindered by Universal upper-management for a while now and is just itching to make something good a reality.

No Rhode? I say let's give it a shot.

Mo worry though is that a guy like a young Tony Baxter wouldn't get hired today. You know... That the thought might be that new hires to imagineering need to have a more "company bottom line first" mindset... So that from the get-go, the beancounters and creatives are on the same side. "If we hire the right type person, there will be a lot less in-fighting all through the process" kind of plan of attack.

Again, that might be completely off base... But just watching how things have gone here in the recent past, I've got to think that there have at LEAST been conversations like that in the back rooms of TDA.

That's what scares me. That they're not looking to replace a JR with a young Baxter type... That they're looking to replace a JR with a Fitzgerald type. Otherwise... Why the change? I think I'm just too skeptical lately to believe the motivation would be wholesome. :shrug:

And yes, March will be my first trip to DLP. Can't wait. Martin's been kind enough to offer advice and thoughts on the resort as well. The only thing I'm worried about is how our 5 month old girl will do at the time!! :lol: The Mouse waits for no man (or woman).
 

DisneyMusician2

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And yes, March will be my first trip to DLP. Can't wait. Martin's been kind enough to offer advice and thoughts on the resort as well. The only thing I'm worried about is how our 5 month old girl will do at the time!! :lol: The Mouse waits for no man (or woman).

Sounds like a great tag line for a bumper sticker or t-shirt! I'd be sporting it.

Maybe with a patriotic or military theme...it would give it that authentic power feeling.:)
 

csm

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That's what scares me. That they're not looking to replace a JR with a young Baxter type... That they're looking to replace a JR with a Fitzgerald type. Otherwise... Why the change? I think I'm just too skeptical lately to believe the motivation would be wholesome. :shrug:

Again - the balance of power is shifting for the better in WDI. I wouldn't just assume for the worst. Just see what happens; it's not like it's in any of our control anyway!

You'll love DLP. France in general is a beautiful country with wonderful people. Every Americanized stereotype of the French people is TOTALLY false. They're wonderful, friendly and hospitible. At DLP, almost every single person I encountered spoke English as well, and they were absolutely thrilled that someone would travel from the US to visit their park. On a side note, make sure you see Cinemagique at the Studios. It's absolutely fantastic, and VERY easy to miss if you don't know anything of it.
 

SirGoofy

Member
Again - the balance of power is shifting for the better in WDI. I wouldn't just assume for the worst. Just see what happens; it's not like it's in any of our control anyway!

I honestly hope you are correct about this. Because someone I know was interviewed for an Imagineering job, and the first question he was asked was, "Do you want to do things like Walt? Or do you want to do things that will make the company money?"
 

csm

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I honestly hope you are correct about this. Because someone I know was interviewed for an Imagineering job, and the first question he was asked was, "Do you want to do things like Walt? Or do you want to do things that will make the company money?"

:eek:
 

tirian

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I honestly hope you are correct about this. Because someone I know was interviewed for an Imagineering job, and the first question he was asked was, "Do you want to do things like Walt? Or do you want to do things that will make the company money?"

I wish there were a "raised eyebrow" smiley, because I don't know if I believe this.

No offense to you, the messenger; but I wonder if your friend told you the truth.

Was the hiring manager really suggesting that Mickey Mouse, Snow White, Cinderella, Mary Poppins, True-Life Adventures, Davy Crockett, the Mickey Mouse Club, Winnie the Pooh, Disneyland, Walt Disney World (MK), and Epcot (no matter how it was built) didn't make money for the company?

If this story is true, it shows a gross misunderstanding of how successful businesses really work.
 

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