Animaniac93-98
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Enough with the head slicing already!
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Enough with the head slicing already!
Nooooooooo!
Lee
Adventurer
Two things:
1.) The main attraction in Harry Potter will have one of the highest capacities of any attraction in the industry when it opens.
2.) There is significantly more planned for the area than "just one ride and some gift shops." I know the rumor mill is churning out all kinds of BS, so I don't doubt someone who thinks they know what's going on told you that, but they're wrong.
Now that I think about it, I have a third thought that came to mind...
Harry Potter vs. The Simpsons effecting Universal's bottom line is a laughable comparison. Yes, Simpsons is a big brand, but its not even in the same league as Harry Potter. Hell, most of Disney's franchises COMBINED aren't even in the same league as Harry Potter.
Jasonflz
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Great point! Unfortunately HP land may only appeal to the fans of the series and not your average Joe or even the other way around. It is a big name though so the park will most likely get alot of press and a larger amount of visitors. Like csm smartly said "the park attendance after the Simpson's Ride opened did not raise highly even with the advertising". Harry Potter may filter in many guests just because it's HP but if it isn't a spectacle there probably won't repeat visits from many.
To add as well, I personally think that bringing Mysterious Island to AK would really benefit Disney seeing as there are alot of creative ideas that they could implement to the concept. Another E-ticket ride in the Animal Kingdom would really benefit Disney financially. With the right advertising, ala Expedition Everest, it could also mean an increase in park attendance. The biggest problem with this other than the money may be the lack of quality Disney has been receiving in some attractions. If Disney guests encountered something amazing like Soarin' they would keep on coming back. MILF and SGE and even EE don't have these qualities to be succesful.
Harry Potter is the biggest franchise thats ever hit the theme park industry bar none. I think the books are almost as widely read as the bible at this point. There will be millions upon millions crashing the gates when it opens.
There are more Harry Potter fans than Disney fans. They will be fine no matter what, and Wizarding World WILL live up to the hype. The entire project was outsourced to real creative firms this go around. None of the "YOUR SOULS ARE MINE!!!" moments of genius from Universal Creative are going to be present in this experience.
csm
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Right there with you buddy. Although honestly I didn't really like TDL as a park, but almost every attraction when compared around was the better version. The park just annoyed me because it was so spread out and felt completely concrete because every inch of it was walkways to handle the massive crowds. It lacked the landscaping that makes a park like Disneyland feel so intricate. It also annoyed me that because of the massive paths and endless concrete, it was difficult to tell where one land ended and the next began. This was especially evident leaving Tomorrowland. Look - there's the entrance to Toontown. And here's some Fantasyland buildings. So why are the Star Jets fifty feet off in the distance?
Your post makes it sound as though you have not yet been to Disneyland Resort Paris. If that is the case, let me just tell you, while they do not have nearly as many attractions as the other Magic Kingdom parks do (excluding Hong Kong, of course) it is so impressively beautiful. So many things in that park are just downright *stunning*. Phantom Manor will leave you never being able to ride Haunted Mansion again. Pirates of the Caribbean will leave you never being able to ride any other Pirates again. it's a small world (YES, I'm not kidding) will leave you, well, I assume you were never able to ride it's a small world again anyway, but this one is GOOD. Not good, GREAT even. I REALLY dig the art direction and brighter, bolder colors used throughout (Sorry Mary Blair, no disrespect. Your stuff is classic, but sometimes classic also equals dated). Now here's the thing - Personally, I absolutely LOVE Space Mountain, but every time I rode it, it was de la terré a la lune. I have not been on Mission 2. I'm sure the ride is still fun, but the new music just annoys me. Anyway the real point is, know it is very, very, very, very, very, very, very, VERY rough. It's an AWESOME, INTENSE ride the likes of which Disney will probably never build again, but it IS a 14 year old Vekoma looping coaster, and it's aged like any other Vekoma out there. TRY to look past how painful it is to see how it is far superior in theming and story to any other Space Mountain. I SWEAR it's worth the beating that you will take.
VERY jealous that you went to TDR in June. When I went, it was Mid-March, and the weather was literally 30s for a high every day, and extremely windy, yet the parks were open from 8am to 11pm and you BETTER BELIEVE we stayed in them every second haha. Only time in my life I literally wore two pairs of pants at a time, and I was still freezing. It was so far beyond unpleasant it's not even funny. But it was worth if for Journey!
Well, this is the thought I pose to you-
One day many years ago there was a young, inexperienced kid named Anthony Baxter. I realize the guy is a total gem, but there's GOT to be another Tony Baxter out there somewhere. It's the nature of the industry. People can't do it forever. If there wasn't up-and-coming talent on the horizon, the industry wouldn't have lasted as long as it has.
I realize that things haven't been the brightest, but I'd put good money on a brighter tomorrow at WDI. With *ahem* let's say speed bumps like Marty Sklar pushed into fake "ambassador" roles to get him out of power, and people with actual vision like Lassiter taking the helm, good things can happen. Trowbridge is a talented guy as well, who has been hindered by Universal upper-management for a while now and is just itching to make something good a reality.
No Rhode? I say let's give it a shot.
csm
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Less than 1,400 pph is so far from the highest capacity of any attraction in the industry that it's not even funny. It's not even CLOSE to highest capacity of any attraction in the park.
My source is not a person. It's a big piece of paper with blue ink on it. I'll let you draw conclusions as to what that might mean as you see fit.
The Simpsons has held strong, and I mean VERY strong, for twenty years now. Will Potter stand that test of time? I'm sure. But the bottom line is in terms of brand recognition, the Simpsons has Potter stomped. Laughable comparsion? Perhaps just because it goes against your opinion?
csm
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Harry Potter is not and never will be as recognizable of an icon as Mickey Mouse. The books are very popular, and fantastic by the way if you haven't read them. But plain and simple, you're pulling at straws on this one. Cool that Potter is coming to a theme park, and I sure as heck will spend a LOT of money on merch assuming it is decent (which is another discussion entirely). Plain and simple, Potterland is not the second coming of Jesus that so many are trying to make it out to be.
csm
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If you *actually* had inside information you'd know this is not correct. The ride was designed internally by Universal Creative, and then handed to JK's peeps for all of their notes and approval. All of the art direction was *pulled* from Universal because it was being developed so poorly and handed to the same people that art directed the sets for the films. Outsourced? You could argue that. But certainly not in the sense that you seem to think.
Methinks perhaps the polite thing to do in consideration of everyone else on the board is to move this to a HARRY POTTER thread instead of continuing it in a SPACE MOUNTAIN one? Not that it's not a worthwhile topic, but it's dominated a thread where it really has no business being.
Figment571
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RSoxNo1
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The ride system itself, the kuka arm/robo coaster seems to be incredibly low capacity. Without tooting my own horn, I utilized a simplistic version of this ride type in RCT3 for a ride I like to call, "The Mike Ditka Experience"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aC0eVLthiDY&feature=channel_page
Say that each of these robotic arms has a capacity of 8 (which I'm guessing is higher, it will probably be 4, like in this video). For this ride to have the highest capacity of any theme park ride, it would have to have at least 3 tracks, probably 4. The dispatch could conceivably be as frequent as space mountain, but even that has 6 people per car, and duel tracks. Couple all this with the fact that this ride will be the first of it's kind, and it's pretty safe to assume that maintenance, and capacity are going to be the biggest problems Universal will encounter.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aC0eVLthiDY&feature=channel_page
Say that each of these robotic arms has a capacity of 8 (which I'm guessing is higher, it will probably be 4, like in this video). For this ride to have the highest capacity of any theme park ride, it would have to have at least 3 tracks, probably 4. The dispatch could conceivably be as frequent as space mountain, but even that has 6 people per car, and duel tracks. Couple all this with the fact that this ride will be the first of it's kind, and it's pretty safe to assume that maintenance, and capacity are going to be the biggest problems Universal will encounter.
RHeath2
Member
Off-topic: I must say, that was a cool ride concept. Being a lifelong Bears fan, I loved it.
The ride has dual-loading platforms and is a continuous loading ride system in the vein of an omni-mover and Hollywood RockIt.
And that folks, is as much as you will ever get from me in a public forum on Harry Potter!
