EPCOT Brazil is the frontrunner for a new World Showcase Pavilion

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I was hoping it could at least become good again. Maybe not the same as 1982 or 1994, but something that had a bit of the original spirt....

Why are you on a tiny emotional roller coaster? You know what's actually happening...don't stress it pondering the amoeba like non-descript future.

You get to ride a rollercoaster from an B marvel property and watch a rat chef drive around Paris!

 

[mikejs78]

Why are you on a tiny emotional roller coaster? You know what's actually happening...don't stress it pondering the amoeba like non-descript future.

You get to ride a rollercoaster from an B marvel property and watch a rat chef drive around Paris!

Hey, Guardians is one of my favorite Marvel movies... I'm looking forward to the coaster, even if I don't think it belongs in Epcot...

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Hey, Guardians is one of my favorite Marvel movies... I'm looking forward to the coaster, even if I don't think it belongs in Epcot...

...I like it too...but it's a complete fish out of the sludge contaminated waters there.

When you have a movie park...you kinda put 2+2 together, don't you?

 

[HauntedPirate]

...I like it too...but it's a complete fish out of the sludge contaminated waters there.

When you have a movie park...you kinda put 2+2 together, don't you?

Ok, we can confirm that you are neither Bob Brand nor Bob Brand.

 

[Haymarket2008]

What is being added capacity wise won’t be enough. It won’t match the capacity the park used to have, nor will it meet today’s demand.

On the totality, I’ve said EPCOT Center is dead. It still is. In ten years time what will be WDWs second will be different to the 1982 Park. And the 1994 Park. And possibly today’s park too. A year ago there was a glimmer , nothwithshsnding the IP argument, the park could possibly become something wonderful again. Now I’m not so sure.

This is a cyclical, recurring nightmare.

 

[...it's a yungle]

The last 20 pages were very interesting...although I swear I thought I was on a “New Brazil Pavillion” thread

 

[marni1971]

I agree with you on all those things as far as 'fixing Epcot'. I was speaking more to adding capacity to meet demand?

In 1990, Futureworld attractions alone could swallow 24,000 guests per hour. Not walking around, not eating, not shopping. Not browsing. Actually experiencing attractions. And that was just Futureworld. I doubt we’ll ever see that again.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

In 1990, Futureworld attractions alone could swallow 24,000 guests per hour. Not walking around, not eating, not shopping. Not browsing. Actually experiencing attractions. And that was just Futureworld. I doubt we’ll ever see that again.

Right...overbuilt for the crowds...as was the way pre Wall Street management style...

Now it's more the opposite...shutting down capacity to save what amounts to pennies on the dollar in maintenance and staffing costs...to the aggregate angst of the buying public.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The last 20 pages were very interesting...although I swear I thought I was on a “New Brazil Pavillion” thread

It's a rumor currently...we could talk about unicorns just the same.

 

[Next Big Thing]

Much more is needed.

Not restaurants. Not upcharges. Not festivals. Worthy attractions. Decent rides. Cohesive theme.

Just wondering... when is the new China 360 film slated to change out for the seamless version?

 

[21stamps]

The last 20 pages were very interesting...although I swear I thought I was on a “New Brazil Pavillion” thread

Looks like there’s not enough rumors to go on., So obviously it will take the direction of complaining about Epcot, and what it used to be.

 

[peter11435]

Just wondering... when is the new China 360 film slated to change out for the seamless version?

2020

 

[marni1971]

Just wondering... when is the new China 360 film slated to change out for the seamless version?

2020

Best case is end of next year. If not, yes, 2020.

Looks like there’s not enough rumors to go on., So obviously it will take the direction of complaining about Epcot, and what it used to be.

Slow news day. Truth hurts.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Slow news day. Truth hurts.

As if always is when we look 365 days year for news on themepark developers that have opened one new actual attraction in Orlando MAYBE once every 2-3 years on average since Cast Member Bob took over.

 

[larryz]

By 'iceberg' do you mean a ponderous, ever-changing and ever-shifting giant mass that takes years to travel to its final destination all the while continually shrinking in scope?

Much more is needed.

Not restaurants. Not upcharges. Not festivals. Worthy attractions. Decent rides. Cohesive theme.

Apparently, "yes."

 

[P_Radden]

In 1990, Futureworld attractions alone could swallow 24,000 guests per hour. Not walking around, not eating, not shopping. Not browsing. Actually experiencing attractions. And that was just Futureworld. I doubt we’ll ever see that again.

As in, if 24,000 guests are experiencing attractions, that's 24,000 guests that aren't shopping, dining and drinking around the world.. NO wonder they don't build attractions like that anymore.. Less return on the investment. After all, even if WoM or Horizions were loved and revered, they weren't bringing in any money and instead cost money to maintain (not to mention their development costs..) So now days they get a pre-engineered off-the-shelf ride system (regardless of capacity), smack on an IP and presto. The shorter the ride, the better from their view. More time for guests to eat, drink and shop. Really stinks of greed. And it's basically insult added to injury in the case of Epcot.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

As in, if 24,000 guests are experiencing attractions, that's 24,000 guests that aren't shopping, dining and drinking around the world.. NO wonder they don't build attractions like that anymore.. Less return on the investment. After all, even if WoM or Horizions were loved and revered, they weren't bringing in any money and instead cost money to maintain (not to mention their development costs..) So now days they get a pre-engineered off-the-shelf ride system (regardless of capacity), smack on an IP and presto. The shorter the ride, the better from their view. More time for guests to eat, drink and shop. Really stinks of greed. And it's basically insult added to injury in the case of Epcot.

And yet...they chose to build and operate parks...

And charge $11 for a Sam Adams or $32 for a Mickey plush that costs $0.33 to make and ship from china...

The point? Rides are part of the deal. They'll lose if they resist it too hard.

 

[Timothy_Q]

As in, if 24,000 guests are experiencing attractions, that's 24,000 guests that aren't shopping, dining and drinking around the world.. NO wonder they don't build attractions like that anymore

Not really.

Less capacity means those 24,000 guest just spend a bigger part of their day stuck in long lines, instead of going through the rides quickly and having more free time to shop, dine and drink.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Not really.

Less capacity means those 24,000 guest just spend a bigger part of their day stuck in long lines, instead of going through the rides quickly and having more free time to shop, dine and drink.

Now...why did you have to bring logic into it? ...There wasn't even a tug on the lure yet

 

[njDizFan]

As in, if 24,000 guests are experiencing attractions, that's 24,000 guests that aren't shopping, dining and drinking around the world.. NO wonder they don't build attractions like that anymore.. Less return on the investment. After all, even if WoM or Horizions were loved and revered, they weren't bringing in any money and instead cost money to maintain (not to mention their development costs..) So now days they get a pre-engineered off-the-shelf ride system (regardless of capacity), smack on an IP and presto. The shorter the ride, the better from their view. More time for guests to eat, drink and shop. Really stinks of greed. And it's basically insult added to injury in the case of Epcot.

Disney is still getting paid on all the old attractions, not only with retro Pins and T-shirts but most importantly brand loyalty.

I don't know but 35 years from now are our grandkids going to foam at the mouth over the Ratatouille ride like we do about all the great defunct attractions. EPCOT shaped many people's lives...Guardians of the Universe doesn't sound like it will inspire the next generation in the same way. Quality is loosing out to the quick dollar and the money spent in 1982 is reaping rewards for decades.