Rumor Brazil is the frontrunner for a new World Showcase Pavilion

[Sirwalterraleigh]

It would be better if this were the case, but as it is, the highlighting of different nations is more in line with Epcot than Soarin around California.

Frankly, I don't know why they didn't keep Soarin' Over California in DCA - it's a perfect fit for that park, and the new Soarin' Around the World is not a great fit for that park.

Probably just to change it up...

Which is the problem with simulators in general...they just get old. Thrill rides stand on their own, longer...that's why they are important. Gravity doesn't get old.

Which is why the Star Wars rides are a bad idea in my opinion. Reprogram then all you want...the mind knows it's all tricks and you bore. Just me.

 

[peter11435]

Probably just to change it up...

Which is the problem with simulators in general...they just get old. Thrill rides stand on their own, longer...that's why they are important. Gravity doesn't get old.

Which is why the Star Wars rides are a bad idea in my opinion. Reprogram then all you want...the mind knows it's all tricks and you bore. Just me.

Only one of the Star Wars attractions will be a simulator.

 

[Princess Leia]

I’ll be back in October, and I’m hoping that this is announced by then. If it is, do we think there will be any concept art around Epcot? (Insiders, if you can’t discuss that’s fine, I’m just getting excited)

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Only one of the Star Wars attractions will be a simulator.

In addition to the one they already have...which is simu-over kill.

The third is the one that interests me...but it's entirely dependent on the IP that disney seems intent to muck the waters with...so it's very intriguing...for sure.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I’ll be back in October, and I’m hoping that this is announced by then. If it is, do we think there will be any concept art around Epcot? (Insiders, if you can’t discuss that’s fine, I’m just getting excited)

Might want to keep the excitement in neutral for awhile...based on history. Grain of salt.

 

[mikejs78]

Probably just to change it up...

Which is the problem with simulators in general...they just get old. Thrill rides stand on their own, longer...that's why they are important. Gravity doesn't get old.

Which is why the Star Wars rides are a bad idea in my opinion. Reprogram then all you want...the mind knows it's all tricks and you bore. Just me.

Not everything can be a coaster. I like variety in my attractions. DHS will have that going forward. A good coaster (hopefully eventually rethemed), probably one of the best rides out there in terms of both themeing and thrill (ToT), two good simulators, an interactive game ride, a family coaster, Alcatraz, and a new dark ride (setting aside the fact that it replaces GMR, I'm looking forward to the new Mickey ride). Thrown in the various shows and that's a pretty good variety. Not nearly enough to be sure for the demand once Galaxy's edge is done, but definitely a good variety in type of ride.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Not everything can be a coaster. I like variety in my attractions. DHS will have that going forward. A good coaster (hopefully eventually rethemed), probably one of the best rides out there in terms of both themeing and thrill (ToT), two good simulators, an interactive game ride, a family coaster, Alcatraz, and a new dark ride (setting aside the fact that it replaces GMR, I'm looking forward to the new Mickey ride). Thrown in the various shows and that's a pretty good variety. Not nearly enough to be sure for the demand once Galaxy's edge is done, but definitely a good variety in type of ride.

I don't recall ever advocating all coasters...but not everything can be an all ages, enclosed "show" either...

Epcot and studios have the same problem: they don't have enough of either if the attendance rises

 

[mikejs78]

I don't recall ever advocating all coasters...but not everything can be an all ages, enclosed "show" either...

Epcot and studios have the same problem: they don't have enough of either if the attendance rises

Epcot's closer to being OK in this regard than DHS. With Guardians, Rat, and (maybe) a Poppins ride, Epcot should be in decent shape.. If they fixed Seas and Imagination and actually made them worthwhile attractions, and reinvigorated Communicore, Epcot would have plenty of usable capacity.... As of now, the high demand rides are over capacity and some attractions (Seas, Imagination, Energy before it shut down) are under-utililized.

 

[dizneeboy]

Soarin' 1 should have been left at DCA. Soarin' 2 makes sense for Epcot... but I miss the smell of oranges

Agreed. I know nostalgia is a powerful force but I feel like the new film lacks the heart of the original. I'm usually ok with it if I sit in the middle section but as soon as the eiffel tower sequence shows warped when sitting on the sides, I just groan. Also, the rose water scent is too strong and lingers for the next set of riders.

 

[marni1971]

Epcot's closer to being OK in this regard than DHS. With Guardians, Rat, and (maybe) a Poppins ride, Epcot should be in decent shape..

Tip of the iceberg.

 

[Princess Leia]

Tip of the iceberg.

Are you saying more improvements are coming, or that more is needed to fix Epcot?

 

[mikejs78]

Tip of the iceberg.

Tip of the iceberg for what's needed?

 

[MisterPenguin]

Tip of the iceberg.

By 'iceberg' do you mean a ponderous, ever-changing and ever-shifting giant mass that takes years to travel to its final destination all the while continually shrinking in scope?

 

[marni1971]

I was one of the lucky kids who rode a bee on my first MGM trip. No Bee? No Bette Midler? No Garry Marshall? Then it's not the Backlot Tour I know and loved. ;-)

Are you saying more improvements are coming, or that more is needed to fix Epcot?

Tip of the iceberg for what's needed?

Much more is needed.

Not restaurants. Not upcharges. Not festivals. Worthy attractions. Decent rides. Cohesive theme.

 

[mikejs78]

Much more is needed.

Not restaurants. Not upcharges. Not festivals. Worthy attractions. Decent rides. Cohesive theme.

I agree with you on all those things as far as 'fixing Epcot'. I was speaking more to adding capacity to meet demand, irrespective of bringing Epcot back to its mission.

On the totality of fixing Epcot, do you think there's any hope of that in current plans?

 

[marni1971]

I agree with you on all those things as far as 'fixing Epcot'. I was speaking more to adding capacity to meet demand, irrespective of bringing Epcot back to its mission.

On the totality of fixing Epcot, do you think there's any hope of that in current plans?

What is being added capacity wise won’t be enough. It won’t match the capacity the park used to have, nor will it meet today’s demand.

On the totality, I’ve said EPCOT Center is dead. It still is. In ten years time what will be WDWs second will be different to the 1982 Park. And the 1994 Park. And possibly today’s park too. A year ago there was a glimmer , nothwithshsnding the IP argument, the park could possibly become something wonderful again. Now I’m not so sure.

 

[jpeden]

What is being added capacity wise won’t be enough. It won’t match the capacity the park used to have, nor will it meet today’s demand.

On the totality, I’ve said EPCOT Center is dead. It still is. In ten years time what will be WDWs second will be different to the 1982 Park. And the 1994 Park. And possibly today’s park too. A year ago there was a glimmer , nothwithshsnding the IP argument, the park could possibly become something wonderful again. Now I’m not so sure.

I hope this doesn't have to do with that one spine design that you said made you absolutely shudder....

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

What is being added capacity wise won’t be enough. It won’t match the capacity the park used to have, nor will it meet today’s demand.

On the totality, I’ve said EPCOT Center is dead. It still is. In ten years time what will be WDWs second will be different to the 1982 Park. And the 1994 Park. And possibly today’s park too. A year ago there was a glimmer , nothwithshsnding the IP argument, the park could possibly become something wonderful again. Now I’m not so sure.

I'm not sure why you had any indication that there would ever be a reversal. Iger and the management are in no way "nuanced"...they telegraphed everything they do...and with Epcot it's ram IP in there...

The mission:space restaurant is the only thing announced in 10 years that even relatively goes to the "discovery" theme of the place. All others are eye candy for the low attention spans.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

By 'iceberg' do you mean a ponderous, ever-changing and ever-shifting giant mass that takes years to travel to its final destination all the while continually shrinking in scope?

...perfect.

 

[mikejs78]

What is being added capacity wise won’t be enough. It won’t match the capacity the park used to have, nor will it meet today’s demand.

On the totality, I’ve said EPCOT Center is dead. It still is. In ten years time what will be WDWs second will be different to the 1982 Park. And the 1994 Park. And possibly today’s park too. A year ago there was a glimmer , nothwithshsnding the IP argument, the park could possibly become something wonderful again. Now I’m not so sure.

I was hoping it could at least become good again. Maybe not the same as 1982 or 1994, but something that had a bit of the original spirt....