EPCOT Brazil (and maybe others) Pavilion Coming to Epcot [not about Brazilian people nor a country wish list]

[WowFactor]

Are we on the same page?

- No money from Brazilian gov.
- Private company spliting the bill with WDC
- Between Italy and Germany (trains plot)
- Trains to be moved to somewhere else
- New concept art on the move
- No Christ Redeemer
- No rides, maybe a show
- Probably a Meet and Greet
- Not defined IP - we talked about Jose Carioca, Aracuan, Ducktales and Rio (FOX)
- Two table service restaurants (one being a "churrascaria rodizio" style)
- Construction beginning latter this year
- @Sirwalterraleigh wisely isn't holding his breath until it goes vertical

 

[marni1971]

Are we on the same page?

- No money from Brazilian gov.
- Private company spliting the bill with WDC
- Between Italy and Germany (trains plot)
- Trains to be moved to somewhere else
- New concept art on the move
- No Christ Redeemer
- No rides, maybe a show
- Probably a Meet and Greet
- Not defined IP - we talked about Jose Carioca, Aracuan, Ducktales and Rio (FOX)
- Two table service restaurants (one being a "churrascaria rodizio" style)
- Construction beginning latter this year
- @Sirwalterraleigh wisely isn't holding his breath until it goes vertical

Mostly.

 

[Naplesgolfer]

Mostly.

Why would they not put in a ride? They need more rides in Epcot.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Are we on the same page?

- No money from Brazilian gov.
- Private company spliting the bill with WDC
- Between Italy and Germany (trains plot)
- Trains to be moved to somewhere else
- New concept art on the move
- No Christ Redeemer
- No rides, maybe a show
- Probably a Meet and Greet
- Not defined IP - we talked about Jose Carioca, Aracuan, Ducktales and Rio (FOX)
- Two table service restaurants (one being a "churrascaria rodizio" style)
- Construction beginning latter this year
- @Sirwalterraleigh wisely isn't holding his breath until it goes vertical

 

[EricsBiscuit]

Why bother if there’s no ride

 

[Atomicmickey]

Why bother if there’s no ride

To sell more booze and food? (note that I share your sentiment 100%, I just think that's the plan.)

 

[EricsBiscuit]

To sell more booze and food?

I don’t go to WDW to buy food and booze. If that’s long term expansion planning then there’s going to be an issue attracting new guests.

 

[Atomicmickey]

I don’t go to WDW to buy food and booze.

Whoops I missed you on the edit. Neither do I! I am not a fan of this plan, either. I just think that's the way they think of it. I'm with you!

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I tell you why I’m STARTING to believe this...

Because it’s depressing. We all have wanted new countries for decades...no doubt.

But it’s such low hanging fruit not fit of WDI. No attractions...too much food and bev...and so dumbed down - “hey! We get a lot of Brazil tour groups! Let’s get Brazil! Get somebody down there and get a sucker company to commit! that will get everyone off our backs for 20 years and we can IP everything else!!”

It’s almost too perfect...and not Disney enough

 

[MisterPenguin]

I tell you why I’m STARTING to believe this...

Because it’s depressing. We all have wanted new countries for decades...no doubt.

But it’s such low hanging fruit not fit of WDI. No attractions...too much food and bev...and so dumber down - “hey! We get a lot of Brazil tour groups! Let’s get Brazil! Get somebody down there and get a sucker company to commit! that will get everyone off our backs for 20 years and we can IP everything else!!”

It’s almost too perfect...and not Disney enough

Go back to disbelieving.

 

[Naplesgolfer]

WDW is truly disadvantaged by the fact that 40-50% it's guest are one time customers The rest come from all over the world and come less frequently and stay longer than at other Disney Parks. DLR and Tokyo Disney have very large local repeat day trip client bases that just won't come without new Attractions and shows and better run parks. I think this is the top reason Disney runs WDW the way they do. I don't think the disincentive's for Disney to act differently in WDW will ever change.

 

[WowFactor]

...Get somebody down there and get a sucker company to commit! that will get everyone off our backs for 20 years and we can IP everything else!!”...

I don't know... my feelings says that the first move was from the company. IMO this whole history it is a great marketing oportunity (long term) to the company, specially if they want to expand overseas.

Anyway thank you for sharing your POV.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I don't know... my feelings says that the first move was from the company. IMO this whole history it is a great marketing oportunity (long term) to the company, specially if they want to expand overseas.

Anyway thank you for sharing your POV.

The main problem with new countries has always been the sponsorship deals...world has changed. Don’t need to have physical presences to promote product.

The economics of Brazil do fit...it’s a banana republic with a credit mess economy. Still is viewed as “respectable”

The perfect mark in many ways.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Go back to disbelieving.

It’s was always pragmatism...like the state of a certain movie franchise...

Win some, lose some, Kenny Rogers

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

WDW is truly disadvantaged by the fact that 40-50% it's guest are one time customers The rest come from all over the world and come less frequently and stay longer than at other Disney Parks. DLR and Tokyo Disney have very large local repeat day trip client bases that just won't come without new Attractions and shows and better run parks. I think this is the top reason Disney runs WDW the way they do. I don't think the disincentive's for Disney to act differently in WDW will ever change.

People can’t say no to WDW...that’s why they can reduce investment and have a completely ineffective management on autopilot

 

[mikejs78]

WDW is truly disadvantaged by the fact that 40-50% it's guest are one time customers

And your source for this statistic is what, exactly?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

And your source for this statistic is what, exactly?

That number is assumed...but it’s hard to tell with shifting demographics

I can tell you that was fairly accurate 20 years ago...but I don’t think so now

 

[mikejs78]

That number is assumed...but it’s hard to tell with shifting demographics

I can tell you that was fairly accurate 20 years ago...but I don’t think so now

So you're telling me that 40-50% are one time visitors and the rest are international travelers? I find that highly suspect.

 

[TJJohn12]

Why bother if there’s no ride

Ride =/= Attraction

The rundown of the rumor list @marni1971 semi-confirmed said “maybe a show,” so there’s still the possibility of an attraction.

 

[Naplesgolfer]

So you're telling me that 40-50% are one time visitors and the rest are international travelers? I find that highly suspect.

Do to ever changing demographics " 40-50%" would have better phrased as "a large portion are 1-3 times in their lives visitors." All over the world includes all over the USA too. I salient fact being that the many guests are from longer distances , thus are unable to come on a whim, unlike Disneyland and Tokyo Disney.