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[correcaminos]

Cool!

So no need to feel guilt over not tipping on that $4k tour despite Disney implying we should!

It is not a requirement, but it is a nice thing to do. No need to be 20% but let me tell you they are thrilled if you give them any amount in a tip. Our last guy was even trying to turn us away. He was awesome though.

 

[MrPromey]

An employee is not allowed to receive less than minimum wage. A tipped employee must be paid at least minimum wage if their tips do not make up the difference. Florida’s minimum wage with tips is $7.98.

https://floridajobs.org/docs/default-source/business-growth-and-partnerships/for-employers/posters-and-required-notices/2022-minimum-wage/2022-florida-minimum-wage-announcement.pdf?sfvrsn=961754b0_2

You're right - I was citing outdated data.

The point still stands though, that's below the $11 per how that a normal minimum wage position makes. (and my mind was still thinking that regular minimum wage in Florida had not moved on from the $7 and change an hour)

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

1. Can someone get me the O&T top out?
…it’s a number…not nuanced
2. Laugh here…but we know that any not tipped paid position is NOT “permitted” gratuities…

Cause they’re supposed to claim it…and if that’s not a problem, TWDC paying payroll tax on that IS an issue.

…ok…stop laughing

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Is it still $7.98???

Wow…tough buying beer as a CP for that

 

[MrPromey]

It is not a requirement, but it is a nice thing to do. No need to be 20% but let me tell you they are thrilled if you give them any amount in a tip. Our last guy was even trying to turn us away. He was awesome though.

To be clear, I'm not doing a VIP tour so no need to worry about me not appreciating any poor castmember.

I can afford Diseny but I can't afford that - not for a single adult paying that for him and his child which for me, is what it would be.

Also, I'm not talking about screw!ng anyone out of a gratuity - not really.

I'm talking about Disney charging as much as $6,300 for an experiencing of which I'm pretty sure they are not paying that castmember on a seasonal scale the way they're charging, meaning that their only expense on that whole offering is the base pay of castmember regardless of if it's $3,150 on coupon day or the full $6,300.

Okay, we'll add 50% to that original guestimate someone threw out of $20 to cover social security and taxes so lets say $30 an hour = $210 - give or take a few.

That's a markup on actual cost of between 1500% and 3000% and I was basing this on the notion that Disney had the nerve to remind you that gratuities aren't included.*

For that kind of pricing, I feel like they could find a way to maybe pay their guides more - don't you?

I know, I know - magic, pixie dust, can't put a price on dreams or street opioids when you really need 'em, etc. but nobody will ever convince me that price is worth it for access to SDMT unless you're Beyoncé and need crowd control to even go to a park.

*All of this was with JoeCamel reminding me of the gratuity and the last time I looked, I thought it said something about that on the VIP tour page. Looking just now, it doesn't so it has either changed or I just remembered that wrong.

My main beef was the kind of brass you-knows Disney would have to have to charge what they do and then tell people they should tip - again, at least as of now, they don't appear to make mention of that on their site, at lest so my minor burst of outrage there wasn't warranted.

I'm all for gratuity when it is entirely voluntary and intended to reflect appreciation for quality service but now I go into stores where nobody helps me and I get to the register and the system is trying to get me to add between 20-35% gratuity or I go through a drive-through to pick up fastfood and am faced with the same choice and I'm still trying to figure out for what, exactly but that's really another discussion.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

It is not a requirement, but it is a nice thing to do. No need to be 20% but let me tell you they are thrilled if you give them any amount in a tip. Our last guy was even trying to turn us away. He was awesome though.

…he’s supposed to…

I would definitely tip them…because the amount they are paid and the amount that goes directly to bad directors at LFL are severely disproportionate

 

[MrPromey]

Is it still $7.98???

Wow…tough buying beer as a CP for that

Dude, not that long ago, that was about standard minimum wage, here - that's where I was getting my three-something for service workers from.

We're on the slow roll to $15 an hour minimum state-wide but that's still almost half a decade away and even today, $15 an hour doesn't get you very far which makes me shutter to think what it'll be worth when this inflation finally settles down.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

What if you did a:
Deluxe? You get five G+ rides a day
Moderate? You get three G+ rides a day
Value? You get one G+ a day…
Or some version of such

That’s what everyone on a Disney board (all of us…) has clamored for since the invent of the awful prebooked fast passes…

…but back to reality: why would they do that? We’re coming anyway…they know it…and it’s easier to try to sell us cupcakes or abject stupidity like after hours…

And what If the rooms aren’t full? Good question…
Do that to lure people in and all the other suckers and cranky timeshare owners get the torches and pitchforks.

It’s just easier for them to not stick their toes in this pool…
Charging for this stuff without kicking them into rooms Gives them plausible deniability across the aboard.

 

[lazyboy97o]

You're right - I was citing outdated data.

The point still stands though, that's below the $11 per how that a normal minimum wage position makes. (and my mind was still thinking that regular minimum wage in Florida had not moved on from the $7 and change an hour)

Wage + Tips must at least equal the minimum wage. If a tipped employee does not receive enough tips then the employer must make up the difference. Anybody in Florida leaving with less than $11 per hour has an employer that is breaking the law.

 

[mysto]

Wow…tough buying beer as a CP for that

Pixie dust gets you way more bang for the buck. Shady merchants though.

 

[MrPromey]

Wage + Tips must at least equal the minimum wage. If a tipped employee does not receive enough tips then the employer must make up the difference. Anybody in Florida leaving with less than $11 per hour has an employer that is breaking the law.

No, I understand how that works and most people in the service industry who get the reduced rate walk away with way more than the $11 or they don't stay in that kind of a job very long - many just typically only claim somewhere around the $11 which of course, is them breaking the law and not the employer... but how's the IRS going to prove it if it's cash?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Pixie dust gets you way more bang for the buck. Shady merchants though.

Hey…there are parents here…

No mention of the “bang”

Top secret

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Dude, not that long ago, that was about standard minimum wage, here.

We're on the slow roll to $15 an hour minimum state-wide but that's still almost half a decade away and even today, $15 an hour doesn't get you very far which makes me shutter to think what it'll be worth when this inflation finally settles down.

Oh I’m aware…spray tan Bob “supported” that wage, remember?

Because by the time it arrives it’s still in line with poverty and a $35 burger at ronto roasters

 

[MrPromey]

Hey…there are parents here…

No mention of the “bang”

Top secret

I'm a parent. I want to know about the bang!

I feel like I'm on the precipitous of understanding why some people might actually believe what Disney is charging across the board is still reasonable for what they offer.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I'm a parent. I want to know about the bang!

I feel like I'm on the precipitous of understanding why some people might actually believe what Disney is charging across the board is still reasonable for what they offer.

…100% a college program joke…about a 40 year old one too

 

[MrPromey]

…100% a college program joke…about a 40 year old one too

You could have stopped with CP.

I thought you were hinting at there being something in it for the guests in the vein of Escape from Tomorrow.

 

[MrPromey]

You could have stopped with CP.

I thought you were hinting at there being something in it for the guests in the vein of Escape from Tomorrow.

You laugh but for the sake of CP cast we should probably stop discussing this now before someone at TDO see it and finds a way to start charging them to work there for the... non-taxable benefits.

 

[UNCgolf]

No, I understand how that works and most people in the service industry who get the reduced rate walk away with way more than the $11 or they don't stay in that kind of a job very long - many just typically only claim somewhere around the $11 which of course, is them breaking the law and not the employer... but how's the IRS going to prove it if it's cash?

I imagine this happens far less now than it did in the past -- mainly because most people pay with credit cards (or other electronic payment methods). Cash tips have to be in serious decline.

 

[MrPromey]

I imagine this happens far less now than it did in the past -- mainly because most people pay with credit cards (or other electronic payment methods). Cash tips have to be in serious decline.

You're probably right.

I make a point to tip in cash (I know, I'm an enabler) but that's at least partially because I know some employers will pass along transaction fees when cashing them out and because some also have weird policies around how tips are divvied.

 

[Disone]

Wait, a few posts back you said they aren't hourly:



Which is it?

Overtime is for hourly employees.

You're sounding more and more like you don't really know what you're talking about, here.

And... MrPromey does not appreciate being pressured into tipping in situations where he shouldn't have to.

Here in the US where servers customarily make less than minimum wage (which is wrong), tipping is part of their compensation and not tipping is them making less than $3 an hour at the federal level. (here in FL it's $3.65 an hour)

When I go to Dunkin Donuts and they have a tip jar, that's on top of whatever normal hourly wage is being made which is a completely different thing.

In situations like that, I don't agree with having to donate money to an employee because the establishment doesn't want to pay competitively for their hourly work.

People love to come back with the "Well if they had to pay them what they are worth, the prices would go up!" to which I say "good!" that's HONEST pricing and if they can't figure out how to make that work, maybe their business isn't viable?

And yeah, When Disney is charging $4k or more and paying the employee running the whole thing somewhere in the ballpark of $150, a 15% tip of $600 which comes out to four times as much as Disney is paying them, does seem a little off to me.

Although that would work out pretty good for the person in plaid if they got away with that five days a week with, as you said, north of $20 an hour and overtime plus somehow not being an hourly employee!

They are office and technical. I'm sorry you have not heard of that but maybe it's not me that is sounding like they don't know what they're talking about.

It's a hybrid between hourly and salaried, but it does get overtime. So yes, they are not hourly as you would typically consider for Walt Disney World, but they also do still qualify for overtime. Office and technical cast members are not covered by the union and do not have Union contracted rates.

As for tipping, Yes I was having some snarky fun there. And now you provided a large context of why you don't feel like you should tip and when you feel like you should. Noted. But snarky fun put aside, I didn't mean to turn this into another tipping debate thread so I'm not going to counter any of those points.