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Jrb1979

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Disney didn't "follow Netflix," they did the only think they could have done IN A PANDEMIC when theaters were literally closed.
Yes but when the Pandemic was going on when they released new movies they made them an add-on to watch for the first few months. They have since completely dropped that.
 

erasure fan1

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Will some people just go "oh I'll wait for it to come out on Disney+"? Sure, but thats the same group of people that would happily wait for it to pop up on TV a year or two down the line and watch it then.
That is true to a point. There are a lot of people like myself, I'm sure, that because the turn to D+ is so quick. You will just wait if it's a movie you're on the fence about. The next movies I will see in the theater are guardians 3 for sure and most likely antman. I'm not invested enough to go see Avatar so I'll just wait. Now if I knew a movie wasn't going to be streaming for 6 to 8 months I might go to the theater more. Of course then they'd need to step up the tv game or I just wouldn't have D+ except for a couple months a year.
if you arent wanting to consume Marvel or Star Wars based shows theres not a huge amount to keep you around for very long. They either need some new franchises, or an extremely popular show that isn't part of the two main properties. Think Game of Thrones or Doctor Who level of draw.
Unfortunately I don't see anything all the original coming out of D+ anytime soon. Disney is so deep in the weeds with their lack of creativity, I don't see the talent there to pull it off. If it's not tied to a main franchise or a reboot/update, there just isn't much hope.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
That is true to a point. There are a lot of people like myself, I'm sure, that because the turn to D+ is so quick. You will just wait if it's a movie you're on the fence about. The next movies I will see in the theater are guardians 3 for sure and most likely antman. I'm not invested enough to go see Avatar so I'll just wait. Now if I knew a movie wasn't going to be streaming for 6 to 8 months I might go to the theater more. Of course then they'd need to step up the tv game or I just wouldn't have D+ except for a couple months a year.

Unfortunately I don't see anything all the original coming out of D+ anytime soon. Disney is so deep in the weeds with their lack of creativity, I don't see the talent there to pull it off. If it's not tied to a main franchise or a reboot/update, there just isn't much hope.
…to this point…we’ve passed on wakanda…

Marvel is losing some wind out of its sails to me

We are going to see avatar…that Needs to be in a theater

We’ll see guardians and Mario…
…the old Harrison ford thing…maybe
 

DKampy

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I feel as if people are sleeping on Avatar a bit… Avatar is going to get people out that never go to the movies…my mid 70’s parents plan on seeing Avatar and they never go to the theater

I believe Avatar will be that rare leggy movie…you
May not not see it on Disney plus for at least 6 months as more and more people catch FOMO from talks of have to see it in a theater…plus it will pack premium theaters as people state it is the only way to see it

Oh and James Cameron has never made a bad film since the original Terminator
 

Sirwalterraleigh

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I feel as if people are sleeping on Avatar a bit… Avatar is going to get people out that never go to the movies…my mid 70’s parents plan on seeing Avatar and they never go to the theater

I believe Avatar will be that rare leggy movie…you
May not not see it on Disney plus for at least 6 months as more and more people catch FOMO from talks of have to see it in a theater…plus it will pack premium theaters as people state it is the only way to see it

Oh and James Cameron has never made a bad film since the original Terminator
….eh…to be fair…he’s made 6 movies and taken forever. He does chose his spots.

I think the “sleeping” on avatar is the theaters have been much more fickle the last 2 years. So $2 bil predictions are tough.

Only 2 movies released have “over performed”
 
I feel as if people are sleeping on Avatar a bit… Avatar is going to get people out that never go to the movies…my mid 70’s parents plan on seeing Avatar and they never go to the theater

I believe Avatar will be that rare leggy movie…you
May not not see it on Disney plus for at least 6 months as more and more people catch FOMO from talks of have to see it in a theater…plus it will pack premium theaters as people state it is the only way to see it

Oh and James Cameron has never made a bad film since the original Terminator

Avatar will slay. You are in my opinion 100% correct in saying it'll be a movie event that brings people out in a way Top Gun: Maverick or the original Avatar did.
 

Dranth

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I’m really shocked by how many people don’t see movies as communal activities. Watching a film in a packed theater can be an immensely richer experience then watching one alone. Seeing Endgame with a full house, with the cheers, sobs, and laughter, is a completely different experience then viewing it alone, no matter the resolution of the screen. I genuinely regret not being able to watch No Way Home with a packed theater. Comedies in particular work so much better with a bunch of other folks laughing along.

It’s subjective, of course, but I don’t think I’m alone in feeling that shared moviegoing matters. I mean, it’s been the way we’ve viewed films for well over a century. It’s survived previous plagues, wars, suburbanization, the rise of TVs and VCRs… filmgoing has value as a shared experience.
Speaking as one of those that avoids theaters, other people tend to detract from the experience and at times, outright ruin it. Talking, using cell phones, rummaging around, people walking by going to and from the bathroom, etc.

The quality of the theater also matters, I have an hour drive each way to get to a theater that isn’t worse sound/image wise than what I have at home. I’m not taking two hours out of my day for any movies that won’t significantly benefit from being seen in a theater. So sure, for example, I went to all the Avengers movies but most of the rest of the MCU I watched at home.

That doesn’t mean I don’t enjoy the trips I do make, opening weekend of Jurassic Park is still my fondest theater memory followed closely by Aliens with Infinity War as a close third. For all three, being in a packed crowd made it much more amazing than it would have been otherwise but those types of movies are few and far between.

Bottom line, hundreds of movies are released to theaters a year and maybe a handful benefit in a significant way (at least to me).
 

Sirwalterraleigh

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Avatar will slay. You are in my opinion 100% correct in saying it'll be a movie event that brings people out in a way Top Gun: Maverick or the original Avatar did.
Very tough to nail movies these days…

Nobody thought top gun 2.0 would soar…or that thor would deflate quickly like a balloon.

And so many experts here had wakanda at $1.5+


It’s just hard to know.
 

MrPromey

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I imagine a big part of Love and Thunder outperforming Ragnarok is because of how awesome Ragnarok was.

Couldn't agree more.

Love and Thunder was opening night for me.

After JoJo Rabbit and Ragnarok, I didn't think it was possible for there to be too much Taika Waititi.

Turned out I was wrong.

Just the same, I was responsible for two of the tickets that helped make their opening weekend such a success even though I was not that big a fan of the movie after having seen it.
 

MrPromey

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Love and Thunder outperformed Ragnarok domestically and in every international market in which it was allowed to open. It’s total box office fell short of Ragnarok entirely because it wasn’t allowed to open in Russia or China. Wakanda Forever has no clear protagonist and is an ensemble film about grief. With that in mind it’s showing very strong legs with a very small third week drop. Star Wars has two critically and popularly acclaimed ongoing series, one with a huge cultural footprint, one in serious discussions as the best television program of the year. The franchise hasn’t had media this well received since 1983.

All entertainment ever made “pushes an agenda.” We’re just in an incredibly stupid phase of the culture war in which certain people are trying very hard to be offended.

Two things - as I just mentioned in my last post, I went to see Love and Thunder opening weekend and was disappointed. I helped contribute to it outperforming Ragnarok but I feel Ragnarok was much, much better.

I also went to Wakanda Forever and can't say it was a particularly enjoyable two and a half hours, either but I'm willing to give that one a pass because of the circumstances. A lot of it was silly and incoherent, though (for a Marvel movie).

I don't think I'm the only one who's going to grade that one on a curve but I sincerely hope the next one isn't so much of a mess.

Yet, like Love and Thunder, I've also contributed to the box office success of that one.

I wonder how many people out there are like me.

As for the agenda thing, the current situation causes that door to swing both ways. There is someone over in the Strange World thread talking that movie up like it's Citizen Cane.

Having seen it the Friday after Thanksgiving, I can assure you it is not.*

It was apparent in that discussion though, that this person had a personal motivation for wanting to like the movie and was pushing an agenda in hyping it much like the people who were never going to see it had their own personal motivations for describing it as woke garbage.

The whole thing has made looking at even professional movie reviews dicey for a person like me who just wants to go see a movie and have a good time unless they know they are walking into a Schindler's List.

When all the positive reviews for a particular movie like to focus on "tough subjects" or diverse casts or how refreshing a certain view point is while many of the negative ones talk about things like incoherent or retreaded story or plot holes or awful pacing, it feels like even the people who are paid to help us not waste our time and money approach things with agendas one way or another.

I hate feeling like i have to read between the lines with everything anymore.


*but I wouldn't say it was bad, either.

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DKampy

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Avatar will slay. You are in my opinion 100% correct in saying it'll be a movie event that brings people out in a way Top Gun: Maverick or the original Avatar did.
Agreed…a common denominator I think just like Top Gun Maverick…Avatar will bring out the older generations…I also don’t expect it to play like a typical blockbuster like marvel and be so front loaded as older people are not the type to rush out opening night…My prediction is just like top gun it will play for months
 

FutureCEO

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Will some people just go "oh I'll wait for it to come out on Disney+"? Sure, but thats the same group of people that would happily wait for it to pop up on TV a year or two down the line and watch it then.

me!!!! I did that for Avatar. It the end I was thankful I didn't spend the money to see it in theatres. I saw the Titanic though but someone else paid (I was only 12) ....snooze fest until the last hour.
 

Ayla

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I’m really shocked by how many people don’t see movies as communal activities. Watching a film in a packed theater can be an immensely richer experience then watching one alone. Seeing Endgame with a full house, with the cheers, sobs, and laughter, is a completely different experience then viewing it alone, no matter the resolution of the screen. I genuinely regret not being able to watch No Way Home with a packed theater. Comedies in particular work so much better with a bunch of other folks laughing along.

It’s subjective, of course, but I don’t think I’m alone in feeling that shared moviegoing matters. I mean, it’s been the way we’ve viewed films for well over a century. It’s survived previous plagues, wars, suburbanization, the rise of TVs and VCRs… filmgoing has value as a shared experience.
I'm not a big movie theater person, so keep that in mind when I say I would ALWAYS choose the option to see a movie at home instead of a theater, if I had a choice. People in public suck and don't give a crap about ruining the experience for the people around them. That generally applies for everything, including WDW, not just movies.
 

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