News Bob Iger is back! Chapek is out!!

[Sirwalterraleigh]

It's very close to mansplaining to women how women can't be a large portion of MCU fans and/or are not really harassed.

Yeah…he’s off his leash again

Just because you’re “the first avenger”…doesn’t mean you’re the greatest

 

[montyz81]

I think the danger there is assuming that’s baked in…

The theme quality of Disney will never be eclipsed because they started installing it standard in 1955…

But they can be overwhelmed some if Comcast just keeps building great stuff in the parks…Disney has lagged considerably unlike ever before here…and you know why?
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I can agree with this. Growth through acquisition is not a sustainable model. You have to do something with the acquisition, and also, you have to continue building on your original core value. Disney has let both rot for the last three years. Also, stop focusing on things that don't help your business succeed, i.e., woke agenda, political meddling, and profit by reduction (reduction could be cost increases while not building more value or removing value without reducing costs).

 

[correcaminos]

I'm not pretending to be. But I can look at the sales data and see how many of which types of shoes were sold to whom.

Here's a gentle thought. When multiple people tell you that you are off base, you might want to listen.

It's tiresome when people really do tell other people what they experience doesn't happen when it sure did and recently. Looking at some sales data doesn't give whole pictures either. You cannot know what it is to be someone without opening your ears and mind to what others experience. Kinda what I am tried to say elsewhere a couple days ago. In this case your "sales data" would be off.

 

[Kamikaze]

"Single millennial women with a college degree in major downtown metropolitan centers" is an extraordinarily narrow target demographic, particularly for a genre that skews heavily towards boys and adult men.

Who said anything about any of the single, millennial, or college degree? And I live in suburbia.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I can agree with this. Growth through acquisition is not a sustainable model. You have to do something with the acquisition, and also, you have to continue building on your original core value. Disney has let both rot for the last three years. Also, stop focusing on things that don't help your business succeed, i.e., woke agenda, political meddling, and profit by reduction (reduction could be cost increases while not building more value or removing value without reducing costs).

The “wokeness” thing a bit of a misdirection and low hanging political fruit.
Do they go too far? Objectively yes…
But it’s also a boogie man.

It’s the second biggest one…chapek was the first.

The main reason fans are frustrated and angry is they’ve completely beat us over the head on pricing and they aren’t building us much for it. At least in parks. That’s what Bob screwed for years and got a little bit better at in the end. Iger that is.

I mean…do they know how p!ssed dvc is? They froze the points and yanked passes for almost 3 years. We had “an arrangement” and that’s the wrong group to squelch on.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

"Single millennial women with a college degree in major downtown metropolitan centers" is an extraordinarily narrow target demographic, particularly for a genre that skews heavily towards boys and adult men.

Who said anything about any of the single, millennial, or college degree? And I live in suburbia.

College educated women in urban/suburban areas are the largest demographic in the United States…and growing

But enjoy 1955, Ward

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I see the source of your confusion now. That guy (Robert Iger) is wearing a suit. The new guy (Bob Iger, Robert's cooler brother) wears a cardigan. The guy in the suit may have mishandled the growth of the parks, but the guy in the cardigan is different even though they bear a striking resemblance to each other.

Ohhhh…you’re totally right.

I was confusing old “Barney’s Bob” with the new “Patagonia Bob”

 

[Heppenheimer]

I agree with much of this analysis.

What I most dislike about where this friction has got us is that people are much too quick to blame diversity for a film’s shortcomings. The idea that Buzzyear, for example, is a bad film because its creators focused too much on diversity makes zero sense when you stop to think about it. Are we really to believe that so much time was spent designing characters of colour and including a gay kiss that none was left to come up with a good story?

It also can work both ways.

I saw about 20 minutes of Lightyear. It didn't grab my kids attention, and neither my wife nor I were drawn in enough for it to outweigh all the other things we could have been doing with our time (I never thought time would be such a precious commodity until my second child, aka The Screamer, came along). It just wasn't that good, and we're apparently not the only ones to think that. So, the TV went back to Mickey Mouse Clubhouse for the millionth time this year.

Now, according to some online comments (not from here), we're wrong because we don't value diversity enough to give this film a chance. Maybe we don't. We definately didn't start watching Lightyear for some higher societal goal, but we did stop watching it because it failed to meet our immediate goal of entertaining us and drawing the attention of our two preschool children.

Yes, some pundits did focus on certain aspects of the film as a reason not to watch, but lets not pretend that others on the opposite sode of the aisle didn't use these reasons as a shield for the film just not being very good.

I'm seeing similar back-and -forth play out for Strange World, a film that most likely bombed from the combination of poor marketing, too high production costs and just not being particularly good, rather than the culture wars baggage that some have focused on.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

College educated women in urban/suburban areas are the largest demographic in the United States…and growing

But enjoy 1955, Ward

That "/" is doing a lot of work.

Suburban women are a lot more like rural women than they are like urban women.

And married women (slash moms) are not like single women at all.

 

[Trauma]

The “wokeness” thing a bit of a misdirection and low hanging political fruit.
Do they go too far? Objectively yes…
But it’s also a boogie man.

It’s the second biggest one…chapek was the first.

The main reason fans are frustrated and angry is they’ve completely beat us over the head on pricing and they aren’t building us much for it. At least in parks. That’s what Bob screwed for years and got a little bit better at in the end. Iger that is.

I mean…do they know how p!ssed dvc is? They froze the points and yanked passes for almost 3 years. We had “an arrangement” and that’s the wrong group to squelch on.

My grandparents where DVC members, they didn’t sell their points and vow never to spend money on a Disney product again because of price increases or lack of perks.

 

[Br0ckford]

Which is why introducing the F4 and especially X-men is tantamount, these fringe characters (and keeping Spider-man going) can be the bridge to pivoting to those properties that can spawn another 10 year run


They need something to build toward again. I know they are building up to Kang, but it needs to be more obvious to the casual fan, just like the Infinity Saga was.

 

[Kamikaze]

That "/" is doing a lot of work.

Suburban women are a lot more like rural women than they are like urban women.

And married women (slash moms) are not like single women at all.

Generalizations are fun.

 

[Stupido]

Generalizations are fun.

almost like someone thinks they understand women a lot better than they actually do...

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Generalizations are fun.

Let's all be grownups here.

We're talking about mass media. Consumption patterns. Advertising. Product preferences.

Generalizations are the name of the game. I'm not judging individuals based on group identity, I'm saying media conglomerates need to appeal to the rules, not to the exceptions.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

almost like someone thinks they understand women a lot better than they actually do...

The Woman Respecter has logged on. Hope she sees this, bro.

By the way, the fella you're quoting literally said that his ex-girlfriend or whoever gets cat-called because she "has a dump truck." But I'm the boorish one, right?

Woman I dated most recently gets beeped at at least once a week walking the barely 1/4 mile to the running/walking greenway because she has a dump truck.

 

[Kamikaze]

Let's all be grownups here.

We're talking about mass media. Consumption patterns. Advertising. Product preferences.

Generalizations are the name of the game. I'm not judging individuals based on group identity, I'm saying media conglomerates need to appeal to the rules, not to the exceptions.

Just because you see it as exceptions doesn't mean they actually are.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

That "/" is doing a lot of work.

Suburban women are a lot more like rural women than they are like urban women.

And married women (slash moms) are not like single women at all.

It seems clear you’re not much of an expert in women.

So you really AREN’T Chris evans!!

…I knew it

 

[LittleBuford]

Yes, some pundits did focus on certain aspects of the film as a reason not to watch, but lets not pretend that others on the opposite sode of the aisle didn't use these reasons as a shield for the film just not being very good.

Fair enough, but I think it’s worth noting that many people who value diversity are very ready to acknowledge it as a bad film. That is, the volume of criticism associating the film’s weakness with its supposed “wokeness” appears to outweigh the volume of rebuttal running in the opposite direction. I admit that this is my own (subjective) determination based primarily on what I’ve seen in this forum.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Generalizations are fun.

…Apparently is talking with enough force that we can even hear it through the chair

 

[Kamikaze]

The Woman Respecter has logged on. Hope she sees this, bro.

By the way, the fella you're quoting literally said that his ex-girlfriend or whoever gets cat-called because she "has a dump truck." But I'm the boorish one, right?

She would self describe that way. Being self aware and/or comfortable with one's body doesn't make it disrespectful or 'boorish' (good word).