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erasure fan1

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Yet for some reason fans keep showering hate on Kennedy… there’s something about her that really seems to bother a lot of folks… can’t guide put my finger on it…
It really isn't that hard to see. Kennedy has been extremely antagonistic with the fans. She allowed her staff to insult, and disrespect the fans. That alone makes the fans go against her. Then pile on her lack of love or knowledge of star wars and that's the cherry on top.
 

Casper Gutman

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It really isn't that hard to see. Kennedy has been extremely antagonistic with the fans. She allowed her staff to insult, and disrespect the fans. That alone makes the fans go against her. Then pile on her lack of love or knowledge of star wars and that's the cherry on top.
What is the evidence of “her lack of love or knowledge of Star Wars?”
 

"El Gran Magnifico"

Mr Flibble is Very Cross.
It really isn't that hard to see. Kennedy has been extremely antagonistic with the fans. She allowed her staff to insult, and disrespect the fans. That alone makes the fans go against her. Then pile on her lack of love or knowledge of star wars and that's the cherry on top.

She wasn’t being antagonistic. She was pontificating. She’s “better than us”
 

"El Gran Magnifico"

Mr Flibble is Very Cross.
What is the evidence of “her lack of love or knowledge of Star Wars?”

“[t]here’s no source material. We don’t have comic books… don’t have 800-page novels. We don’t have anything other than passionate storytellers who get together and talk about what the next iteration might be.”

Yeah. Well. Nothing ever happened between movies. I guess. All the treatments by Lucas were apparently lost too.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Yeah, it comes across like capitulation to culture warriors when the reality is you can wait a year and have a nice retirement party for this lady. That and Iger shafted her in the first place...

(The real problem is that there still really isn't much story past the OT, and removing Kennedy isn't going to fix that and give Disney the big blockbuster it wants out of the brand.)
It would definitely be a retirement…not a “firing”…

And if Disney were to decide they needed to move on…it would be TO CAPITULATE to the disgruntled fans. That’s the point. They wouldn’t admit it…but that would be the point.
 

Casper Gutman

Well-Known Member
“[t]here’s no source material. We don’t have comic books… don’t have 800-page novels. We don’t have anything other than passionate storytellers who get together and talk about what the next iteration might be.”

Yeah. Well. Nothing ever happened between movies. I guess.
If the issue is that they didn’t adapt the almost universally awful novels? That seems like an absurd criticism. Marvel fans don’t kvetch that the films are only borrowing elements from thousands of pages of comics rather then directly adapting storylines despite the fact that their is far more quality content scattered throughout seventy-some years of comics. In fact, Star Wars’ approach to the EU stuff is very similar to the MCU’s approach to the comics, cherry-picking interesting ideas like Thrawn that serve the broader story.

Is the real issue that we don’t have giant sentient otters running around the Star Wars films?
 

Casper Gutman

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It would definitely be a retirement…not a “firing”…

And if Disney were to decide they needed to move on…it would be TO CAPITULATE to the disgruntled fans. That’s the point. They wouldn’t admit it…but that would be the point.
The worst piece of filmed Star Wars media ever created (well, maybe excluding the Holiday Special) was a direct result of capitulation to disgruntled fans.
 

"El Gran Magnifico"

Mr Flibble is Very Cross.
If the issue is that they didn’t adapt the almost universally awful novels?

No. The issue is that they didn’t stay true to the concept, the idea, the storytelling, the characters, and the general narrative.

She should have made her own “space movie” and left Star Wars out of it

Oh wait.

Maybe she did. A space ship running out of gas.

She even had to steal that

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erasure fan1

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What is the evidence of “her lack of love or knowledge of Star Wars?”
Just go back and listen to or read her interviews. I'll give you one example. When asked about the movies and how marvel does things, se responded with, unlike marvel we don't have years of comics, novels and stories to go off of. Really? What about the years of comics, novels and stories that you relegated to the trash heap?
 

MerlinTheGoat

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If the issue is that they didn’t adapt the almost universally awful novels? That seems like an absurd criticism. Marvel fans don’t kvetch that the films are only borrowing elements from thousands of pages of comics rather then directly adapting storylines despite the fact that their is far more quality content scattered throughout seventy-some years of comics. In fact, Star Wars’ approach to the EU stuff is very similar to the MCU’s approach to the comics, cherry-picking interesting ideas like Thrawn that serve the broader story.

Is the real issue that we don’t have giant sentient otters running around the Star Wars films?
The comparison of Star Wars' EU to how the MCU correlates to the comics is nonsense. Marvel movies have pretty much NEVER followed the canon of the comics. Hell, super hero comics are frequently rebooted and don't follow their OWN prior continuity.

Star Wars EU novels and comics on the other hand (prior to Disney) had always at least attempted to follow and tie-in with the current movie canon. They didn't always REMAIN canon over time, sometimes their plots were over-written by newer media (generally the plotlines that covered the Clone Wars). But at the time they were written, they were not a split alternate reality continuity. The comics, novels, games etc filled in the gaps between the movies, as well as the events before and after the Lucas films.

Your opinion on their quality is subjective and you're within your right not to enjoy them. I don't think the post-ROTJ EU is perfect either (they also went through the "somehow Palpatine returned" motions). But in my opinion, there's also some great content in there and would still have been preferable to the sequel trilogy by far. Even the Palpatine return was at least more enjoyable than the crap they came up with for the movies.
 
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Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
The worst piece of filmed Star Wars media ever created (well, maybe excluding the Holiday Special) was a direct result of capitulation to disgruntled fans.
The worst 3 are the “sequel” trilogy. The fans didn’t have much say on any of that.

The last Johnson was what a non-star was fan thinks you can do with Star Wars. The mythology was key…you don’t put “your spin” on it.

Plenty of other stuff to try that with.
 

MerlinTheGoat

Well-Known Member
All three of the sequel movies are really bad IMO (and no that's not intended as an insult to people who did like them, you're entitled to your opinion). At the time it released, I considered 7 to be just "mediocre", it opened up a lot of questions that were very contingent on the sequels following through in a satisfying way. But 8 and 9 actually managed to retroactively make it worse. It's not often I see a case where my opinion on a movie can be altered based on the quality of the sequels. But so much of 7 was dependent on the sequels that, when they failed so spectacularly, 7 was also dragged down even lower in my view.

Original trilogy is never going to be topped, I watched the new 4K Disney+ transfers with my mom earlier this year (via a projector and a large wall, so it was a semi theatrical experience). She's only ever seen A New Hope all the way through of the OT. She's also not a big fan of the franchise as a whole, but she found the entire OT fantastic.

The prequel trilogy is often very stupid due to the childish comedy, ugly overused CGI characters, stupid dialog and bad acting. And yet they are still very entertaining movies and there's a good plot buried below the surface. The action is also generally great too, especially the lightsaber sequences. I also think it has the most interesting and exotic environment design in the franchise and wish the theme park land had borrowed more from those environments. I'm not bored while watching these movies, even if I wish Lucas had someone to reign him in. A "competent" yet boring movie is a worse thing for me than a stupid yet entertaining one.

The sequel trilogy is an example of the "boring" complaint. They're not as "stupid" as the prequels (at least not in the same way) and are more competently acted. But they don't have an interesting plot hidden below the surface to help carry them, nor is the action very good. They aren't fun or entertaining movies. Hell, even Ian McDiarmid isn't given anything fun to really work with.
 

Br0ckford

Premium Member
All three of the sequel movies are really bad IMO (and no that's not intended as an insult to people who did like them, you're entitled to your opinion). At the time it released, I considered 7 to be just "mediocre", it opened up a lot of questions that were very contingent on the sequels following through in a satisfying way. But 8 and 9 actually managed to retroactively make it worse. It's not often I see a case where my opinion on a movie can be altered based on the quality of the sequels. But so much of 7 was dependent on the sequels that, when they failed so spectacularly, 7 was also dragged down even lower in my view.

Original trilogy is never going to be topped, I watched the new 4K Disney+ transfers with my mom earlier this year (via a projector and a large wall, so it was a semi theatrical experience). She's only ever seen A New Hope all the way through of the OT. She's also not a big fan of the franchise as a whole, but she found the entire OT fantastic.

The prequel trilogy is often very stupid due to the childish comedy, ugly overused CGI characters, stupid dialog and bad acting. And yet they are still very entertaining movies and there's a good plot buried below the surface. The action is also generally great too, especially the lightsaber sequences. I also think it has the most interesting and exotic environment design in the franchise and wish the theme park land had borrowed more from those environments. I'm not bored while watching these movies, even if I wish Lucas had someone to reign him in. A "competent" yet boring movie is a worse thing for me than a stupid yet entertaining one.

The sequel trilogy is an example of the "boring" complaint. They're not as "stupid" as the prequels (at least not in the same way) and are more competently acted. But they don't have an interesting plot hidden below the surface to help carry them, nor is the action very good. They aren't fun or entertaining movies. Hell, even Ian McDiarmid isn't given anything fun to really work with.
Spot on. This is what is in my head. You explained it better.
 

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