News Bob Iger is back! Chapek is out!!

[Br0ckford]

Reading along here and I have a legitimate question. How on earth do folks have time to watch so much TV and movies? I don't even have enough time to get within 45 pages of being caught up on this thread!

8 hours sleep, 8 hours work, 8 hours for watching. Even more on weekends.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Reading along here and I have a legitimate question. How on earth do folks have time to watch so much TV and movies? I don't even have enough time to get within 45 pages of being caught up on this thread!

8 hours sleep, 8 hours work, 8 hours for watching. Even more on weekends.

I sleep maybe 3-5 hours…

But I don’t watch much tv because THATS When I fall asleep

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

All three of the sequel movies are really bad IMO (and no that's not intended as an insult to people who did like them, you're entitled to your opinion). At the time it released, I considered 7 to be just "mediocre", it opened up a lot of questions that were very contingent on the sequels following through in a satisfying way. But 8 and 9 actually managed to retroactively make it worse. It's not often I see a case where my opinion on a movie can be altered based on the quality of the sequels. But so much of 7 was dependent on the sequels that, when they failed so spectacularly, 7 was also dragged down even lower in my view.

Original trilogy is never going to be topped, I watched the new 4K Disney+ transfers with my mom earlier this year (via a projector and a large wall, so it was a semi theatrical experience). She's only ever seen A New Hope all the way through of the OT. She's also not a big fan of the franchise as a whole, but she found the entire OT fantastic.

The prequel trilogy is often very stupid due to the childish comedy, ugly overused CGI characters, stupid dialog and bad acting. And yet they are still very entertaining movies and there's a good plot buried below the surface. The action is also generally great too, especially the lightsaber sequences. I also think it has the most interesting and exotic environment design in the franchise and wish the theme park land had borrowed more from those environments. I'm not bored while watching these movies, even if I wish Lucas had someone to reign him in. A "competent" yet boring movie is a worse thing for me than a stupid yet entertaining one.

The sequel trilogy is an example of the "boring" complaint. They're not as "stupid" as the prequels (at least not in the same way) and are more competently acted. But they don't have an interesting plot hidden below the surface to help carry them, nor is the action very good. They aren't fun or entertaining movies. Hell, even Ian McDiarmid isn't given anything fun to really work with.

…I love you…in a “Cyrano” kinda way…

Will you marry me?

 

[MisterPenguin]

Is he in federal custody? That’s a serious crime

If a company or a CEO creates content meant for outlet "A", but then decides to put it out through outlet "B" first, then "A" -- well, that's not a crime. (It could get you in trouble if you promised a big name star it would be theatrical first and then put it on a streamer and then gave her a lot less money than she expected, but, that's a different controversy.)

Doing it to "hide" the cost of Disney+ isn't such a bad idea if you can get advertiser dollars for it on a linear channel and then put it on the streamer to keep the churn rate down. Plenty of shows made for the linear channels show up on the streamer the next day (and many companies do exactly that).

In some ways, it's an artificial distinction that some B-list series is "streamer material" rather than "linear channel material." Disney could have decided that almost all D+ content would have to go through theatrical or a linear channel first in order to get a second pay window out of it. If you're making content exclusively for your streamer to keep people subscribed to your streamer... it better be top notch A-list stuff that keeps people subscribed.

It's a way to share the cost of a project between two outlets, like Disney makes two parks share the cost of a cloned ride.

To call it "cooking the books" and implying criminality, or at least, deception, seems to be born of thinking the worst of a person (which is understandable in this case). But business-wise, it could be considered crafty. If it were up to some Wall Street types who panicked over Disney losing out licensing content in the Pay2 and Pay3 windows to other companies, there wouldn't be any new and exclusive D+ content. It would all go through the Pay Window grinder first.

 

[MisterPenguin]

This is why I would have liked to have seen Disney Parks and Resorts revive Walt's old idea of a ski resort somewhere. Or at least I would have, before the Imagineering dept. was gutted. Something like Mont Tremblant resort, which looks exactly like something Joe Rohde would have designed.

Disney seems unable to think outside a warm weather box, however.

Right outside Denver. Put a castle park with all the best indoor rides nearby, and create a second park at a ski resort (DisneySlope).

It's next to a major airport, West of the Mississippi, and in a state whose politics wouldn't get too rattled by Disney.

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

8 hours sleep, 8 hours work, 8 hours for watching. Even more on weekends.

I sleep with one eye open. It’s great for multi-tasking.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Bob Chapek isn't going to jail for doing some creative accounting. If everyone who did that went to jail, Hollywood would be one big prison.

Still…if any truth that’s crazy. It’s crazy that they are busing chapek THIS much. All Disney dirty laundry for a decade was caused by the guy at the end?

if Iger brings back magical express the planets would have aligned. Really kinda doubt it will ever happen but one can only hope.

That’s your big problem? Not tripling the prices in 20 years while adding no capacity and building timeshares?

Need a ride?

 

[MisterPenguin]

Lucasfilm Kathleen Kennedy not if but when.

So after her, who's next? Also, I was so wrong

Rumor: Lucasfilm Head Kathleen Kennedy Could Be Fired Very Soon — World of Reel

With Bob Iger returning as Disney CEO, there are rumors swirling that Lucasfilm head Kathleen Kennedy might be on the chopping block.

www.worldofreel.com

Oy vey. Yes, a YouTuber 'heard' that KK was going to get fired right after Indy 5, or maybe right before.

1. What company decides to fire a top executive five months in advance, and then lets the cat out of the bag about it? Crazy.

2. All the second tier blogs quote this spurious rumor and in repeating it so often, people think it *must* have some truth to it.

3. This is about the fifteenth time the Internet echoed out this rumor over the past decade. Countless vloggers swearing a good inside contact was saying she was about to get fired. And it never came about. Just cryin' wolf at this point.

4. Iger likes KK. He personally took the blame off of her for Solo (pushing for a release when the film wasn't ready and the theaters were saturated with the sequel trilogy). And he took the blame off of her for locking SWL into the prequel timeline (he thought the $2B box office for TFA was a sign that the public was totally on board with it).

5. Since the rumors of KK being fired have been bandied about, her contract has been renewed 3 times.

6. The hate-club blames her for every SW content they don't like recounting in detail about how she personally was involved in ruining it. At the same time, with regard to SW content they *do* like, this hate-club spins a yarn about how she is frozen out of her own division and has no power at all and other creatives made the good stuff.

7. Are there people who don't like her? Most likely. That's usually the case in most companies. Backstabbing gossip is not the same thing as fact and reality.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

This is why I would have liked to have seen Disney Parks and Resorts revive Walt's old idea of a ski resort somewhere. Or at least I would have, before the Imagineering dept. was gutted. Something like Mont Tremblant resort, which looks exactly like something Joe Rohde would have designed.

Disney seems unable to think outside a warm weather box, however.

The tremblant village was copied and built at Stratton. Very “Disney” feel there

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Oy vey. Yes, a YouTuber 'heard' that KK was going to get fired right after Indy 5, or maybe right before.

1. What company decides to fire a top executive five months in advance, and then let's the cat out of the bag about it? Crazy.

2. All the second tier blogs quote this spurious rumor and in repeating it so often, people think it *must* have some truth to it.

3. This is about the fifteenth time the Internet echoed out this rumor over the past decade. Countless vloggers swearing a good inside contact was saying she was about to get fired. And it never came about. Just cryin' wolf at this point.

4. Iger likes KK. He personally took the blame off of her for Solo (pushing for a release when the film wasn't ready and the theaters were saturated with the sequel trilogy). And he took the blame off of her for locking SWL into the prequel timeline (he thought the $2B box office for TFA was a sign that the public was totally on board with it).

5. Since the rumors of KK being fired have been bandied about, her contract has been renewed 3 times.

6. The hate-club blames her for every SW content they don't like recounting in detail about how she personally was involved in ruining it. At the same time, with regard to SW content they *do* like, this hate-club spins a yarn about how she is frozen out of her own division and has no power at all and other creatives made the good stuff.

7. Are there people who don't like her? Most likely. That's usually the case in most companies. Backstabbing gossip is not the same thing as fact and reality.

…And I get accused of obsessing

 

[DCLcruiser]

I’ve read too many posts not to add lol:

I did like one aspect of 7/8/9: The introduction of a third leg of our Star Wars Universe stool:

The shadow industrial elite who built the weapons and financed the wars.

That could have been an awesome arc for the sequels to really focus on. Jedi, Sith, the other guys pulling all the strings.

 

[sedati]

The theatrical hiatus after episode nine was planned long before the film was even shot.

 

[MerlinTheGoat]

Ep8 made significantly less money than Ep7. $1.3 billion worldwide compared to $2 billion of the previous one. Which might still seem like a lot of money to the general public, but the executives and investors were quite disappointed. Solo of course also contributed to the problem even prior. And then Ep9 further underperformed Ep8.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The theatrical hiatus after episode nine was planned long before the film was even shot.

Horse bleep

 

[MerlinTheGoat]

Horse bleep

Is it? I was under the impression that they began discussing a halt to theatrical productions after Solo bombed, and solidified the decision when Last Jedi underperformed.

 

[JoeCamel]

Star Bores = predictable....

 

[Tom P.]

I think what many people -- including Disney leadership -- have overlooked is that part of what made Star Wars films so successful was the scarcity. Until Disney bought Lucasfilm, there were a grand total of only six films in the series and the two trilogies were 20 years apart. Sure, there were some TV shows and tons of tie-in books and merchandise, but there were only six actual films. That made the release of each film an event. Start churning films out every year and it becomes less special, less anticipated.

 

[_caleb]

I know many of you think my opinion is utterly ridiculous, but I think Iger saw the damage Chapek-ified Iger-ism did to the brand, and I trust his ego will lead him to do some fan-pleasing things.

But still, I think the personal wish lists of every single thing anyone dislikes about the parks are a bit silly.

 

[_caleb]

I think what many people -- including Disney leadership -- have overlooked is that part of what made Star Wars films so successful was the scarcity.

Speak for yourself

 

[_caleb]

So I'm not permitted to dislike movies or actors that have won awards or made lots of money? Wait till you hear that I think the entire Marvel Cinematic Universe is garbage...

I hereby grant you full and unrestricted permission to have terrible opinions.