Neither. It was nice, but not the stellar addition they hoped for.
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EPCOTCenterLover
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Nor was it received as such, from what I can tell.
ToTBellHop
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Of course, we will likely benefit from that relative failure at DAK and DHA.
Haymarket2008
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For some strange reason Three Caballeros AA's at the finale to Gran Fiesta Tour are near the top of my wishlist. It was gonna happen until lack of funding stopped it, apparently.
P_Radden
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Can anyone elaborate on this "big problem with management" at Epcot? @WDWLover#1 Can you provide details of what you are implying?
BTW Where are the management offices at Epcot?
WDWLover#1
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With NFL opening the amount of people allowed in the park has gone up. So expanding areas like the hub and opening the adventureland veranda restaurant has been necessary to eat the new people. Plus it's been been getting busier and that hub was becoming dangerous. Based on TEA two million more have come in the last two years. One must presume NFL was a leading factor.
The refurb has been slashed yes. But a refurb is still a refurb and it's getting fixed from top to bottom. We'll see when it opens, but with splash since the refurb the ride has been working well. Matinenanance still have to fix broken stuff, but they're getting fixed. Plus splashs downtime in January helps to further maintain it. We've not seen a repeat of the end scene failing to work entirely. Refurbishments work and should do with pirates. I can't imagine pirates not working fully again afterwards.
For Epcot a new nighttime show has been planned for a while. Steve Davison is reported to be working on it and they're looking into drone technology (remember the patents). But lawyers so who knows. Look for this next year maybe the year after.
For soarin the third theatre is currently being built with digital technology. Then when that theatre opens one of the old ones will be closed to convert to digital. Then again the the second old theatre. It's widely assumed that the new film will premiere after all have been converted called "Soarin over the world". This is for Shanghai as well so it is also possible that it will premiere after Shanghai opens. We'll see.
GiveMeTheMusic
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Epcot will be getting a copy of Shanghai's Soarin' around the world film, with a special WDW finale. DCA will get it as well, with its own DLR finale. We're expecting this sometime in 2016 or 2017.
WDWLover#1
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Yes @wdisney9000 remember the flight patterns that was done after SDMT opened and the plans we saw for the DLR flight path.
Or the year after that. Or the year after that.
TP2000
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I just rode the newly digital upgrade of Soarin' Over California last night at Disneyland. It's a stunning improvement over the old film, and Disneyland was already maintaining their film better than WDW. But still, it's a huge improvement that can't come soon enough for the Epcot version.
PhotoDave219
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She'll be coming around the mountain when she comes
IMO, the hub is just as dangerous as before. There are now more people allowed into the area, and if panic broke out, you have that many more people fleeing for the exits which have not been expanded so the bottleneck effect would be even worse. Even with the back corridor being utilized, you would have a ton of people trying to squeeze through that tiny little area where the ice cream parlor is or towards MSUSA.
As far as NFL.... I just think attendance is up, nothing more. I wouldnt credit NFL with any major uptick in regards to attendance.. The average family visiting doesnt even know it exists until they get there or Disney tells them about it through emails or what not. Not bashing it, just dont think any of the average guests are booking a trip specifically for, or becuase of NFL.
And yes... Im totally aware of the progress for Soarin and rumors we have heard...and the patents...and the flyover filming...and the "Soarin Over the World" rumors have been around for ages. Nothing new there. The way you wrote your statement though seemed as if something had actually been officially verified by Disney. Thats what I was asking. Not being argumentative in any way, just curious.
Ah Dave, c'mon... Your just baiting us to make a dirty joke. I'll refrain.
SYRIK2000
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I know this is a typo but sounds great. Makes me think of the scene in Jurassic Park where Malcolm is talking about the POTC eating the guests
TP2000
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While I couldn't agree more, I don't think Disney has ever had a ride system that could handle 4,000+ per hour, and certainly not an E Ticket. They seemed to have maxed out around 3,000 an hour in the 1960's, and then crashed towards 1,500 an hour for E Tickets since the 1990's.
But at 2,500 riders per hour the old school Imagineers and park operations guys did their jobs much, much better in the 1960's and 70's than the current crop of MBA execs and Celebrity Imagineers! do in the 21st century.
It's A Small World opened at the World's Fair in '64, and then Disneyland in '66, with an hourly capacity of 2,500+. Carousel of Progress opened at the World's Fair in '64 and Disneyland in '67 with an hourly capacity of 3,000. Pirates opened at Disneyland in 1967 with a capacity of 2,800+ an hour. PeopleMover opened at Disneyland in '67 with an hourly capacity of 2,900. Haunted Mansion opened in '69 with 2,300 per hour, the same as Adventure Thru Inner Space that opened in '67.
Then fast forward to the 21st century when Anaheim alone has triple the attendance of the 1960's and they spent $300 Million on Radiator Springs Racers and it only has a capacity of 1,500 an hour. Frozenstrom will have an hourly capacity of 900 per hour. Both of those rides were, or will be, subject to massive marketing campaigns that will create demand of over 3,000 per hour in very busy theme parks. Children will cry, parents will fume.
The delusional MBA boneheads in TDA/TDO and Celebrity Imagineers! in Glendale who design and approve those things are simply not good at their jobs and clearly have no idea how to run a theme park that respects its customers and employees. That's all there is to it.
SpaceMountain75
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Not trying to be a pain, but what are the maintenance issues in Splash everyone keeps mentioning? It looked awesome to me last September and I've watched recent ride throughs on YouTube and I can't find anything.
mahnamahna101
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2,500-3,000/hr should be the goal, then. And I thought the PeopleMover at MK had something ridiculous like 4,800/hr
hence, why the wait is always 3-5 minutes. Western River Expedition would be a great 2,500-3,000/hr E-ticket. Fire Mountain could be designed to possibly have two tracks with 1,500-1,800/hr each... Dragon Challenge does something similar. Same with a new Tomorrowland E.
Anything less than 2,300/hr is really ridiculous with the attendance levels of modern WDW.
Nah, this one from earlier today had me cracking up. (please see the quote below) Priceless.
No wonder Same Lau got sent to Asia..lol
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Splash has been much better the last 2 years or so. See this post for info on the old issues:
http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/zip-a-dee-doo-blah-lets-track-its-progress.760385/
mahnamahna101
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*UPDATE*
Over the last week or so I have been compiling information from a group of sources I trust, some of which that I have directly communicated with. By combining all these peoples information in the most rational way possible, this is the best outline I can provide as to what is happening as of right now in regards to the studios.
Phase 1: Pixar place expansion part 1
this will begin construction relatively soon and will exist in behind toy story midway mania where the old studio bungalows and the costume centre from the backlot tour presently sit. those will both be torn down and in their place will be a kids friendly area with a sort of best of disney cloned pixar attractions combined with a new play area that will replace honey I shrunk the kids. the general consensus is that three attractions will be a part of this area, with the most votes going to slinky dog spin, francis's ladybug boogie, and flicks flyers, however its not entirely out of the question to also include one of the new minor attractions they are planning for Shanghai. the play area itself will attempt to consist of a wide range of pixar films as a sort of pixar-esque toon town with various interactive elements small children could participate with. Phase 1 also includes the third track addition for midway mania, and the removal of pirates of the caribbean, and the main backlot tour complex to allow easy access and flow to the area from both sides of the midway mania complex.
Phase 2: Cars miniland
The part two for pixar place, a toned down version of cars land is coming in the place of lights motors action and the rest of the backlot tour. the studios catering company will be repurposed and expanded south to become Flo's cafe, maters junkyard jamboree will sit essentially on the load unload site of the backlot tour and the special effects area, and a toned down clone of radiator springs racers will sit right on top of the old lights motors action amphitheater. as an offshoot of this work semi included in the phase, pizza planet will be going away in favour of a muppet-centric restaurant and mama melrose too will receive a similar treatment in some manner. this will essentially turn the streets of America into muppet studios and while no update to muppets 3-d is included in this phase, more will be discussed about it later on.
Phase 3: Star wars part 1
due to the delay with Avatar and the way that they want to space out openings in the parks, star wars is now pushed back another year or so on its start date with phase two of pixar jumping over it. as previously mentioned star wars is taking over the former sounds dangerous and american idol areas as part of that star wars alley way which is to be constructed. the other side of the street will be constructed over half of what is now echo lake with either most or all of it being filled in over this construction phase. there will be the permanent home of the jedi training academy an unknown attraction at this point entering the american idol building, and various shops and meet and greet areas lining the walk way with interactive elements where you 'use the force' throughout. at the end of the street, backlot express will become the mos eisely cantina
Phase 4: Star wars part 2
this is where things get a bit more complicated. the multipurpose space was originally thought of as convention space for the sale of star wars merch during starwars weekends, however recent changes to the design make this building appear to be of a significantly more advanced and larger scope then once thought. the 'flex space' appears to be capable enough to handle cheerleading competitions to seminars to company presentations to stage shows and cartoons during the busiest times of the year and beyond. If it becomes the case that events believes it can handle all of its capacity that immediately puts the indy show into jeopardy as it will save the company a substantial amount of money from expanding beyond the current park borders and moving backstage essential buildings around. therefore if they decide that this is the case, expect the original plan of going back through the star tours backlot pathway, to instead expand to the north east and take over the indiana jones area. this would now be the site of the new e-ticket major ride which will anchor the land, and mean the end of indy in the florida parks. as for the previously rumoured x wing spinner, that would also be a part of this phase however its debatable if they will actually follow through with that plan at this point due to the significantly larger focus on the pixar expansion over recent months. the response to that and phase 1 of starwars will probably dictate if this will actually be added to the parks or not.
Beyond Phase 4: various
after/ during these projects, there are four things that are without question going to happen. first regarding the one that could possibly be during, disney wants to utilize the beauty and the beast theatre as a showcase for their broadway theatre wing, so as early as phase 3 is being worked on, we could very well see beauty and the beast evicted in favour of a shorter version of their Aladdin Broadway show, with new shows coming in every few years as shows finish up national tours and begin making more prolonged runs in regional theatres. besides this, there are several projects lined up that will definitely happen but after the first 4 phases. first and foremost, the great movie ride is getting a redesign with some of the movies swapped out i favour of more prominent titles, the animatronics spruced up, and trackless technology replacing the old ride vehicles. next theres a new film that will be made for muppet vision 3-d as well as depending on the success of the show that ABC just greenlighted a muppet attraction to compliment the muppet studios land (although the latter is more of a long shot). Finally fantasmic is going to bite the bullet and be replaced with an all new nighttime spectacular of some kind.
as for timelines on these projects, you can probably be safe to expect phase 1 of toystory for sometime later next year. phase 2 will coincide with avatar's opening ideally, roughly 2018 pre christmas, phase 3 will start when construction is midway on phase 2, with an opening date ideally around late summer 2019, and hopefully if everything goes right phase 4 will be open in time for the 50th anniversary in 2021.
its an exciting time for walt disney world and the new disney's hollywood adventure!
Saw it on MiceChat.
Is there any truth to this?
Because the Pixar offerings disappoint me greatly then RSR-lite, and 4 flat rides... ugh lol. I would be excited to see a Muppets mini-land, though.
Over the last week or so I have been compiling information from a group of sources I trust, some of which that I have directly communicated with. By combining all these peoples information in the most rational way possible, this is the best outline I can provide as to what is happening as of right now in regards to the studios.
Phase 1: Pixar place expansion part 1
this will begin construction relatively soon and will exist in behind toy story midway mania where the old studio bungalows and the costume centre from the backlot tour presently sit. those will both be torn down and in their place will be a kids friendly area with a sort of best of disney cloned pixar attractions combined with a new play area that will replace honey I shrunk the kids. the general consensus is that three attractions will be a part of this area, with the most votes going to slinky dog spin, francis's ladybug boogie, and flicks flyers, however its not entirely out of the question to also include one of the new minor attractions they are planning for Shanghai. the play area itself will attempt to consist of a wide range of pixar films as a sort of pixar-esque toon town with various interactive elements small children could participate with. Phase 1 also includes the third track addition for midway mania, and the removal of pirates of the caribbean, and the main backlot tour complex to allow easy access and flow to the area from both sides of the midway mania complex.
Phase 2: Cars miniland
The part two for pixar place, a toned down version of cars land is coming in the place of lights motors action and the rest of the backlot tour. the studios catering company will be repurposed and expanded south to become Flo's cafe, maters junkyard jamboree will sit essentially on the load unload site of the backlot tour and the special effects area, and a toned down clone of radiator springs racers will sit right on top of the old lights motors action amphitheater. as an offshoot of this work semi included in the phase, pizza planet will be going away in favour of a muppet-centric restaurant and mama melrose too will receive a similar treatment in some manner. this will essentially turn the streets of America into muppet studios and while no update to muppets 3-d is included in this phase, more will be discussed about it later on.
Phase 3: Star wars part 1
due to the delay with Avatar and the way that they want to space out openings in the parks, star wars is now pushed back another year or so on its start date with phase two of pixar jumping over it. as previously mentioned star wars is taking over the former sounds dangerous and american idol areas as part of that star wars alley way which is to be constructed. the other side of the street will be constructed over half of what is now echo lake with either most or all of it being filled in over this construction phase. there will be the permanent home of the jedi training academy an unknown attraction at this point entering the american idol building, and various shops and meet and greet areas lining the walk way with interactive elements where you 'use the force' throughout. at the end of the street, backlot express will become the mos eisely cantina
Phase 4: Star wars part 2
this is where things get a bit more complicated. the multipurpose space was originally thought of as convention space for the sale of star wars merch during starwars weekends, however recent changes to the design make this building appear to be of a significantly more advanced and larger scope then once thought. the 'flex space' appears to be capable enough to handle cheerleading competitions to seminars to company presentations to stage shows and cartoons during the busiest times of the year and beyond. If it becomes the case that events believes it can handle all of its capacity that immediately puts the indy show into jeopardy as it will save the company a substantial amount of money from expanding beyond the current park borders and moving backstage essential buildings around. therefore if they decide that this is the case, expect the original plan of going back through the star tours backlot pathway, to instead expand to the north east and take over the indiana jones area. this would now be the site of the new e-ticket major ride which will anchor the land, and mean the end of indy in the florida parks. as for the previously rumoured x wing spinner, that would also be a part of this phase however its debatable if they will actually follow through with that plan at this point due to the significantly larger focus on the pixar expansion over recent months. the response to that and phase 1 of starwars will probably dictate if this will actually be added to the parks or not.
Beyond Phase 4: various
after/ during these projects, there are four things that are without question going to happen. first regarding the one that could possibly be during, disney wants to utilize the beauty and the beast theatre as a showcase for their broadway theatre wing, so as early as phase 3 is being worked on, we could very well see beauty and the beast evicted in favour of a shorter version of their Aladdin Broadway show, with new shows coming in every few years as shows finish up national tours and begin making more prolonged runs in regional theatres. besides this, there are several projects lined up that will definitely happen but after the first 4 phases. first and foremost, the great movie ride is getting a redesign with some of the movies swapped out i favour of more prominent titles, the animatronics spruced up, and trackless technology replacing the old ride vehicles. next theres a new film that will be made for muppet vision 3-d as well as depending on the success of the show that ABC just greenlighted a muppet attraction to compliment the muppet studios land (although the latter is more of a long shot). Finally fantasmic is going to bite the bullet and be replaced with an all new nighttime spectacular of some kind.
as for timelines on these projects, you can probably be safe to expect phase 1 of toystory for sometime later next year. phase 2 will coincide with avatar's opening ideally, roughly 2018 pre christmas, phase 3 will start when construction is midway on phase 2, with an opening date ideally around late summer 2019, and hopefully if everything goes right phase 4 will be open in time for the 50th anniversary in 2021.
its an exciting time for walt disney world and the new disney's hollywood adventure!
Saw it on MiceChat.
Is there any truth to this?
Because the Pixar offerings disappoint me greatly then
RSR-lite, and 4 flat rides... ugh lol. I would be excited to see a Muppets mini-land, though.