Black Panther: Wakanda Forever

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I guess that conversation got accelerated tonight.

What did I miss?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

It's obvious Disney doesn't have the best people for the jobs. Everything they've been touching lately has turned to poop. Maybe if they went with what makes money and not with their agendas they'd still be making a billion each movie. But no, they want to hire a plumber to do brain surgery (metaphorically of course). Just because that plumber fit's their woke criterias.

It's simple, I want good movies. I don't want them to cast a movie and then say "Alright we checked the boxes, now lets write about the characters... and oh yeah we'll probably need a script too."

…I really WANT to disagree with you…I do…

 

[Phroobar]

Box Office Mojo:
After Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’s $181 million opening led to a $209 million total domestic box office last weekend (the fourth best overall weekend of the year and the fifth best since the start of the pandemic), the numbers fell back down to Earth this weekend. The total box office came to just $100 million (making this the first time since July that there were two nine-digit weekends in a row), with Wakanda Forever leading the way at $67.3 million, down 63% from last weekend. While this isn’t a bad number for Wakanda Forever, the hopes that the film would hold markedly better than recent MCU films were in vain. All in all, it looks to play closer to this year’s earlier franchise installments Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness (67% second weekend drop and multiplier of 2.2) and Thor: Love and Thunder (68% second weekend drop and multiplier of 2.4) than to the first Black Panther (45% second weekend drop and multiplier of 3.5).

The box office as a whole will continue to be sluggish until Avatar: The Way of Water opens on December 16, but the box office prospects for Wakanda Forever are looking good, even if the film will fall considerably short of its predecessor. The $288 million ten day cume is the year’s third best, and it should pull ahead of Multiverse of Madness (which had a $293 million ten day cume) over the next week, getting a boost from the Thanksgiving holiday week and weekend. It is likely to go on to become the year’s second highest grossing film yet, toppling Multiverse’s $411 million cume and finishing behind just Top Gun: Maverick (and potentially Avatar 2). The worldwide cume is now $546 million, and in holdover markets it dropped 49%, compared to the 56% drops on the year’s earlier MCU films in the same suite of markets.

 

[Disney Irish]

Box Office Mojo:
After Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’s $181 million opening led to a $209 million total domestic box office last weekend (the fourth best overall weekend of the year and the fifth best since the start of the pandemic), the numbers fell back down to Earth this weekend. The total box office came to just $100 million (making this the first time since July that there were two nine-digit weekends in a row), with Wakanda Forever leading the way at $67.3 million, down 63% from last weekend. While this isn’t a bad number for Wakanda Forever, the hopes that the film would hold markedly better than recent MCU films were in vain. All in all, it looks to play closer to this year’s earlier franchise installments Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness (67% second weekend drop and multiplier of 2.2) and Thor: Love and Thunder (68% second weekend drop and multiplier of 2.4) than to the first Black Panther (45% second weekend drop and multiplier of 3.5).

The box office as a whole will continue to be sluggish until Avatar: The Way of Water opens on December 16, but the box office prospects for Wakanda Forever are looking good, even if the film will fall considerably short of its predecessor. The $288 million ten day cume is the year’s third best, and it should pull ahead of Multiverse of Madness (which had a $293 million ten day cume) over the next week, getting a boost from the Thanksgiving holiday week and weekend. It is likely to go on to become the year’s second highest grossing film yet, toppling Multiverse’s $411 million cume and finishing behind just Top Gun: Maverick (and potentially Avatar 2). The worldwide cume is now $546 million, and in holdover markets it dropped 49%, compared to the 56% drops on the year’s earlier MCU films in the same suite of markets.

Yep, still has a potential to break $1B. It won't make what I originally thought but it doesn't have to. If it does just as well (or better) than Strange 2 it'll still be seen as a smash hit for the MCU.

 

[Phroobar]

Yep, still has a potential to break $1B. It won't make what I originally thought but it doesn't have to. If it does just as well (or better) than Strange 2 it'll still be seen as a smash hit for the MCU.

I think I'll wait for Disney+. There isn't much interesting in the theaters now.

 

[Disney Irish]

I think I'll wait for Disney+. There isn't much interesting in the theaters now.

Its actually really good, I'd say if you have an afternoon during the holiday season with nothing going on take in a matinee or early evening showing.

 

[TP2000]

Wakanda Forever had a staggeringly huge production budget of $250 Million. It will apparently need $750 Million in global box office sales to break even, then it starts making some profit for Burbank.

I honestly am baffled at these $200 to $250 Million production budgets for these tentpole films from Burbank's various studios. What do they spend all the money on?!? How lavish is the catering budget exactly, and how many years have the Wakanda Forever production staff been getting free lunches and chair massages in their cubicles???

 

[TP2000]

Also, I just got back from a Target run to my new Target this morning. There was a very splashy Wakanda Forever toy display right in the middle of the toy section.

But just like my old Target, there was not a single toy or mention for Strange World.

 

[Californian Elitist]

I saw the movie again for the second time yesterday. It was better the second time, but I cried even more.

 

[Disney Analyst]

Wakanda Forever had a staggeringly huge production budget of $250 Million. It will apparently need $750 Million in global box office sales to break even, then it starts making some profit for Burbank.

I honestly am baffled at these $200 to $250 Million production budgets for these tentpole films from Burbank's various studios. What do they spend all the money on?!? How lavish is the catering budget exactly, and how many years have the Wakanda Forever production staff been getting free lunches and chair massages in their cubicles???

I mean the contracts for all the VFX studios would be staggering... So many people are involved for VFX alone.

 

[Phroobar]

I mean the contracts for all the VFX studios would be staggering... So many people are involved for VFX alone.

Exactly, have you ever read CG credits at the end of the movie? There are litterly thousands of people listed there.

 

[Disney Analyst]

Exactly, have you ever read CG credits at the end of the movie? There are litterly thousands of people listed there.

It's a crazy intensive process, involving thousands of VFX artists, amongst many contracted studios. And that's just one part.

 

[erasure fan1]

I honestly am baffled at these $200 to $250 Million production budgets for these tentpole films from Burbank's various studios. What do they spend all the money on?!?

Well why would the studio side of Disney be any different than the rest of Disney? I always wonder how they spend so much money.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

Exactly, have you ever read CG credits at the end of the movie? There are litterly thousands of people listed there.

It's a crazy intensive process, involving thousands of VFX artists, amongst many contracted studios. And that's just one part.

Speaking of VFX artists and Marvel in particular...



Hopefully they get treated better for what they do, but I have my doubts...

 

[Screamface]

Disney finances its film itself, doesn't it?

They probably just overcharge themselves for making the film. So the expenditure of the budget flows back to the company as profit. While still being owed the full about from the movie production.

 

[Disney Analyst]

Black Panther steadily climbing for 2022 box office. Number 8 in less than 3 weeks.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Disney finances its film itself, doesn't it?

They probably just overcharge themselves for making the film. So the expenditure of the budget flows back to the company as profit. While still being owed the full about from the movie production.

What?

 

[Screamface]

What?

The way films are made is quite complicated. Marvel doesn't just make the film.

They create a company as a separate legal entity to make the film. Which then licences the rights from a holding company. I assume Marvel/Disness finance the films themselves. So they then lend the company the money to make the film.

That company then hires the production company, which is Marvel Studios to make the film. Marvel Studios is its own for-profit entity. So their fee for production is for profit. Which is how they can overpay themselves. I assume they probably have a high base cost for a Marvel film which they charge for all Marvel films. 3 months of studio time, crew, catering, etc. Separate from unique parts of the production like actors, directors, locations VFX and so forth.

So some of the budget is flowing back to the parent company, yet they are still owed the total amount lent. Which if there's a loss can be used for tax purposes. It's all tricky and complicated.

 

[Disney Irish]

The way films are made is quite complicated. Marvel doesn't just make the film.

They create a company as a separate legal entity to make the film. Which then licences the rights from a holding company. I assume Marvel/Disness finance the films themselves. So they then lend the company the money to make the film.

That company then hires the production company, which is Marvel Studios to make the film. Marvel Studios is its own for-profit entity. So their fee for production is for profit. Which is how they can overpay themselves. I assume they probably have a high base cost for a Marvel film which they charge for all Marvel films. 3 months of studio time, crew, catering, etc. Separate from unique parts of the production like actors, directors, locations VFX and so forth.

So some of the budget is flowing back to the parent company, yet they are still owed the total amount lent. Which if there's a loss can be used for tax purposes. It's all tricky and complicated.

I understand what you're saying, its why Hollywood math is always so "fuzzy".

 

[CaptainAmerica]

The way films are made is quite complicated. Marvel doesn't just make the film.

They create a company as a separate legal entity to make the film. Which then licences the rights from a holding company. I assume Marvel/Disness finance the films themselves. So they then lend the company the money to make the film.

That company then hires the production company, which is Marvel Studios to make the film. Marvel Studios is its own for-profit entity. So their fee for production is for profit. Which is how they can overpay themselves. I assume they probably have a high base cost for a Marvel film which they charge for all Marvel films. 3 months of studio time, crew, catering, etc. Separate from unique parts of the production like actors, directors, locations VFX and so forth.

So some of the budget is flowing back to the parent company, yet they are still owed the total amount lent. Which if there's a loss can be used for tax purposes. It's all tricky and complicated.