Black Panther: Wakanda Forever

[CaptainAmerica]

I understand what you're saying, its why Hollywood math is always so "fuzzy".

Lol everything he's saying is nonsense. There are no circular payments within and between various legal entities owned by The Walt Disney Company intended to inflate production costs for... reasons? Disney controls both sides of the ledger because almost all of their subsidiaries are wholly owned. You can't create "profit" on one ledger out of thin air because that would also create "loss" on another ledger, which you also own. Intercompany transactions are eliminated when consolidating entities report financial results. He also ignores the fact that you have to, you know, PAY all the friggin people.

 

[Disney Irish]

Lol everything he's saying is nonsense. There are no circular payments within and between various legal entities owned by The Walt Disney Company intended to inflate production costs for... reasons? Disney controls both sides of the ledger because almost all of their subsidiaries are wholly owned. You can't create "profit" on one ledger out of thin air because that would also create "loss" on another ledger, which you also own. Intercompany transactions are eliminated when consolidating entities report financial results. He also ignores the fact that you have to, you know, PAY all the friggin people.

Um, you do know it was a joke right?

Its the old joke that Hollywood math is fuzzy math....

 

[Screamface]

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Then please explain so I can learn.

It was my understanding it worked something like that. Please explain so we can all learn. Otherwise your post is adding nothing but reminding us that terrible trilogy exists.

 

[Screamface]

Lol everything he's saying is nonsense. There are no circular payments within and between various legal entities owned by The Walt Disney Company intended to inflate production costs for... reasons? Disney controls both sides of the ledger because almost all of their subsidiaries are wholly owned. You can't create "profit" on one ledger out of thin air because that would also create "loss" on another ledger, which you also own. Intercompany transactions are eliminated when consolidating entities report financial results. He also ignores the fact that you have to, you know, PAY all the friggin people.

Help me understand. Each film involves the creation of its own legal entity as a production company to make the film. So they create Black Panther 2 LLC or whatever it's called.

They then get the funds to make the film and have to contract out the resources to make the film.

Marvel Studios has a long-term production facility established in Atlanta for making films. As well as make films elsewhere. That's a separate entity from the production company. Even though they fall under the same corporate structure.

When Black Panther LLC wants to rent out studio space, hire crews, get sets built etc. They would have to contract out with Marvel Studio's production to get sets, crews and so forth. Whatever the structure the studio makes films, it would be financed by the production company.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Help me understand. Each film involves the creation of its own legal entity as a production company to make the film. So they create Black Panther 2 LLC or whatever it's called.

They then get the investment to make the film and have to contract out the resources to make the film.

But Disney doesn't go out and solicit third party investment (aside from something like product placement). The investment comes from under the same corporate umbrella.

So if there's +250 million on Black Panther 2 LLC, there's a (250) million on Buena Vista Productions LLC or whatever.

 

[Screamface]

But Disney doesn't go out and solicit third party investment (aside from something like product placement). The investment comes from under the same corporate umbrella.

So if there's +250 million on Black Panther 2 LLC, there's a (250) million on Buena Vista Productions LLC or whatever.

But Black Panther 2 LLC then has to spend the money to make the film. It still has to contract out for studio space, for crews and other costs.

When Marvel Studios creates a long term production facility to make these films, like they have in Atlanta. What is spent there making Black Panther 2, will be paid for by the money coming from Black Panther 2 LLC. I would assume they have fixed costs and rates at this stage.

As the whole point of creating Black Panther LLC, is about a separate legal entity is to separate yourself from debts and liabilities. Doesn't it still owe a debt to Bueno Vist Productions LLC of 250 million?

 

[Phicinfan]

I feel bad for the computer effects crews. I think they are vastly overworked and it is causing the effects to look worse in the process. Marvel seems to use effects even when they don't need to. You don't have to use it for everything in the film. It should mostly be used for the backgrounds and the times where it's absolutely necessary. They probably wouldn't have a character hold a real coke.

For example on the latter Avengers movies, most of their surroundings and a lot of the characters weren't real. Spiderman didn't even wear a real outfit for most of the movie. For some reason even that was created in post.

Then you have turds like Taika Waititi openly mocking the poor effects crew. Even though he made a mockery of his most recent outing.

There are some youtube reports out now that MCU will cut back on releases per year again, to be able to spend more quality time and less burden on resources. No formal announcement has been made, but to your point, that would allow them to better clean up effects and spend more time doing quality filming

 

[Californian Elitist]

 

[Prince-1]

There are some youtube reports out now that MCU will cut back on releases per year again, to be able to spend more quality time and less burden on resources. No formal announcement has been made, but to your point, that would allow them to better clean up effects and spend more time doing quality filming

YouTube reports?!? Hmmmmm, must be true.

 

[DKampy]

Meh, that's not that good compared to most Marvel films. If Wokeanda doesn't reach 750 million it has failed and Disney only has itself to blame for it.

It has already passed the other marvel movies this year this point in their runs…to me it looks like one billion is it’s grasp by the end of BP2’s run

 

[MisterPenguin]

Wokeanda

 

[Disney Irish]

So as everyone is distracted with Strange World lackluster box office, Wakanda Forever is still raking it in.

As of the end of this weekend it looks to have pulled in $675.5M globally. With several more weeks before Avatar it has a good shot of breaking $1B globally. We'll see what it does, but even if it comes close like Strange 2 it'll still be a winner at the box office.

 

[Prince-1]

So as everyone is distracted with Strange World lackluster box office, Wakanda Forever is still raking it in.

As of the end of this weekend it looks to have pulled in $675.5M globally. With several more weeks before Avatar it has a good shot of breaking $1B globally. We'll see what it does, but even if it comes close like Strange 2 it'll still be a winner at the box office.

It didn’t take a genius to see that BP2 was going to be a huge blockbuster. Only the trolls thought otherwise.

 

[Jedijax719]

It's not making a billion WW. It might make $900 million, but probably not that much. 53-55% will be domestic and it will probably end its domestic run at around $460 million.

 

[Phroobar]

So Wakanda Forever was a failure? It made $675,570,596 world wide but the first Black Panther movie made $1,382,248,826. That is less than half of the original.

 

[Jedijax719]

So Wakanda Forever was a failure? It made $675,570,596 world wide but the first Black Panther movie made $1,382,248,826. That is less than half of the original.

Well, #1 it is not finished yet. And #2-welcome to a post-pandemic cinematic climate.

TGM was an anomaly. But it also had nearly 50% of its audience over 55. It has a bigger audience of people who don't do streaming.

Good luck finding anything next year that will come close. The #1 movie next year will likely be Little Mermaid. It may be the only movie making $400 million domestically and may be the only one with any shot at $1 billion WW. Avatar 2 will probably make more during 2023 than any movie actually released IN 2023.

 

[Phroobar]

Well, #1 it is not finished yet. And #2-welcome to a post-pandemic cinematic climate.

TGM was an anomaly. But it also had nearly 50% of its audience over 55. It has a bigger audience of people who don't do streaming.

Good luck finding anything next year that will come close. The #1 movie next year will likely be Little Mermaid. It may be the only movie making $400 million domestically and may be the only one with any shot at $1 billion WW. Avatar 2 will probably make more during 2023 than any movie actually released IN 2023.

However Spiderman No Way Home and Top Gun Maverick where both post pandemic and made $1,971,439,845 and $1,486,657,763 respectively so that argument about cinematic climate really doesn't hold water. People will show up for a movie they want to see. WF seems not to be that movie.

 

[Phroobar]

LOL, I was thinking and posting the same thing. Disney Apologists will make up any excuse for their beloved company.

I don't understand the "It's a Disney movie. It will do well." when that is obviously not the case. The Little Mermaid will flop just as hard as any other Disney "live-action" remake simply because people can watch it on Disney+ a few months later.

I swear these people have a stake in the movie's returns.

 

[Jedijax719]

Anyone want to bet MickeyMouse10 is an admin playing us all as fools?

 

[Mr Ferret 75]

Anyone want to bet MickeyMouse10 is an admin playing us all as fools?

Nope. The admins have enough to do keeping this place heading in the right direction to make their own troll account.