Prince-1
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No chance. The mods/admins would be able to troll us much better than some 43 yo nobody. (edited it so Mom didn’t have to
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Black Panther: Wakanda Forever
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No chance. The mods/admins would be able to troll us much better than some 43 yo nobody. (edited it so Mom didn’t have to
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Jedijax719
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Wakanda Forever looking to make $15-$16 million this weekend (after making $46 million last weekend).
Yikes!!! That's painful! That would be a 67% drop. Even after the holidays, comparable movies (Strange1, Ragnarok, Dark World, and even Eternals) dropped less than 50%.
But on the bright side, maybe it will be out on D+ sooner that I thought to enjoy its splendor at home!
Yikes!!! That's painful! That would be a 67% drop. Even after the holidays, comparable movies (Strange1, Ragnarok, Dark World, and even Eternals) dropped less than 50%.
But on the bright side, maybe it will be out on D+ sooner that I thought to enjoy its splendor at home!
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Phroobar
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According to Box Office Mojo, it made about half of Black Panther. Not too spectacular.Wakanda Forever looking to make $15-$16 million this weekend (after making $46 million last weekend).
Yikes!!! That's painful! That would be a 67% drop. Even after the holidays, comparable movies (Strange1, Ragnarok, Dark World, and even Eternals) dropped less than 50%.
But on the bright side, maybe it will be out on D+ sooner that I thought to enjoy its splendor at home!
Jedijax719
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Well it's not done yet so that's just current. But it will end up between 60-65% of the first one. It had TONS of obstacles on its own, let alone the shabby state of cinema in general. In a few years, when they do the third with
T'Challa's son
Phroobar
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I don't think it will hit even that. It's about 49% now. There is no way it is getting to 60% which is still a big financial failure. Remember other movies made 1.5 to 2 billon and are in the top ten with the "shabby state of the cinema" . That point has been brought up many times. So that argument doesn't hold water.
Jedijax719
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Do you mean domestic of global?
Phroobar
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Globally.
Black Panther: $1,382,248,826
Wakanda Forever: $689,105,014
I'd be more willing to agree about success if it broke a billion.
Jedijax719
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Can't compare globally. Completely different climate and totally different cultures we don't understand, some of which banned the movie.
Phroobar
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That is exactly what you do. That is how the industry measures it.
Even domestically it is still at half.
Jedijax719
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Now, but it's only been out for 4 weeks. That said, it will end up around 60-65%. But it's no fault of the movie itself. That last 2 MCU movies were mixed at best and the lack of T'Challa had more of an impact that most people thought. It's still a great movie and all involved should be extremely proud of what they accomplished at such great loss and odds.
erasure fan1
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I'd argue it is the fault of the movie. Like you said, the lack of Tchalla hurt it. They could have recast the role, Chadwicks family said he thought the character was more important than the actor. Or, they could have delayed the movie and incorporated the transition into another movie. Similarly to how they introduced him in the first place. But they chose to retool the movie around Chadwick not being there. So the movie is what it is. It might very well be a good movie, but it's what's in the movie, or lack there of, that people aren't going as much as the first.
_caleb
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I’d argue that it’s knee-jerk reactions from negative-biased ”fans” (many of whom say they haven’t even seen the movie) that’s kept Wakanda Forever from making more money.
Prince-1
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And don’t forget that Disney has decided to release most of their recent movies on D+ a lot sooner then they did when the original BP was in theaters. I’ve concluded facts mean nothing to some people and they are living in the past. Oh wellz!!!
Screamface
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Maybe, without T''Challa, the film just became another in the long line of "Next Marvel Product" for many and it made little argument for seeing it. It's got some bump, but like all Marvel post End Game. What is the point? It's filler for a cinematic universe currently going nowhere. We may at some point get a movie in the future where the Atlantians, or whatever they are, rise up to help fight Thanos 2.0. Nothing more, nothing less.
Jedijax719
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It's simple.
1. Neither NWH nor TGM had any streaming platform ready to show them. Everyone knew that. Every MCU fan knows that SM is owned by Sony and doesn't show on D+. TGM was not connected to any studio's streaming platform. So their only means to watch was on the big screen and that was stated everywhere.
2. NWH was a culmination of 20 years of SM movies with prominent roles from Tobey and Andrew, along with Strange and a bunch of classic villains. It was marketed as and lived up to the idea of being the Endgame of Spiderman movies.
3. TGM had nearly 50% of its audiences over 55 years old by its second week. That is an age group that doesn't do a lot of streaming. It also appealed heavily to a more conservative base which makes up much less of a streaming audience anyway.
4. When considering successful movies, comparing EVERYTHING to two of the biggest movies ever made will always put up an unfair comp. I could do the same and say that TGM and SM NWH were failures because they didn't match up with The Force Awakens or Endgame.
5. BPWF had absolutely insurmountable odds against. Negative PR (Letitia Wright issues), losing Chadwick and thus its main character, and the constant onslaught of alt-right racists and bigots who flood social media with their typical "stuff" (watching language lol) all put the movie's back against the wall. Sure, I would have liked to see it end up domestically between $475-$500 million, but eh. Just a number. It had a fresh RT score and a very high audience score. It was a very highly regarded movie by most. We're just living in a VERY different world than we did in 2018.
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erasure fan1
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Here's just one example
It's a theme that comes up a lot. We all love Disney or we wouldn't be on the boards. It's ok to think they can do better. If I don't think an offering is up to par, I'll say it and they won't get my business. Just because someone holds them to a higher standard, doesn't mean they're less of a fan. Wakanda isn't making less because negative fans. It's making less because of the choices they made with the film.
Jedijax719
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That's fact though. All you have to do is spend 5 minutes on any social media outlet or YT to see that there were a LOT of people who did that. It's not just for BPWF but pretty much for every movie that stars minorities or females. Couple that with those who were opposed to the movie for not recasting Chadwick's role and never gave it a chance and you have some of the massive obstacles I referred to.
But as you yourself admitted (thank you), you said it was due to choices in the film. I assume you are referring to (a) not recasting T'Challa and/or (b) female leads. So if people did not accept one or both of those, it's on them, the so-called "fans". The quality of the film speaks for itself.
erasure fan1
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There's a few things going on. Yes, not recasting Tchalla is part of it, and so might be that his sister took up the mantle. But it's more than just so "called fans". I'd say it has more to do with the average joe not going. Streaming has a lot to do with that. You can't blame people for not going if they're not sure about the content. Especially when they know they can wait and see it later. It's not just one thing, it never has been.
I get what you're saying about the minorities and females and the social media mobs. Like most voices on the internet, they aren't as loud as they seem. We're in a strange time and Disney has put themselves into an odd situation. They have made all sides of the social wars mad at them. That's the massive obstacle they need to overcome.
TalkingHead
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This analysis of Maverick has some dubious claims. If it hadn’t been a runaway hit, the movie would’ve ended up on Paramount+ with other new releases like Smile (still in theaters and simultaneously streaming), Jackass Forever, and Scream. Now you can point out that audiences wouldn’t necessarily know that, whereas Marvel/Disney+ is a branded relationship. But the fact is Maverick had great word of mouth, and was acknowledged as a big screen spectacle (same as Elvis which did great box office for WB).
spacemt354
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Those negative people clearly didn't have an impact on the opening weekend box office which broke records.
If Wakanda Forever reaches $450 million domestic which I'd predict it does, that's a great accomplishment. I never expected the film to reach the heights of the first because it's very hard to catch lightning in a bottle twice.
I thought it was a step down from BP 1, but in no way was it bad, and was one of the best aspects of Phase 4. But I'm tired of the narrative of fans being to blame when a film doesn't meet exceedingly high expectations. You give those negative folks too much credit for something they don't influence.