BLACK PANTHER huge hit!

Sped2424

Sped2424

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jt04 said:
Universal/NBC should prove their progressive posturing by carving out an exception for Black Panther. Disney could repay the gesture by giving up IoA Marvel merchandise monies.

Solved.
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They need to hire you for creative solutions over there.
 
joejccva71

joejccva71

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HauntedPirate said:
Whoa, man, dial back the hyperbole a little. TSL isn't going to make DHS crowds "insane". Pandora may have moved the attendance needle a little, but there are few, if any, people visiting WDW solely due to Pandora's opening.
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I challenge that to be honest. Show some numbers that Pandora hasn't drawn more crowds to the parks. It's a huge draw. Crowd calendars from all the major sites have spiked up 3-4 notches over what the norm is for different times in the year. It's one of the reasons why everyone is crying wolf over at Touring Plans. Crowd calendars are almost useless over there now. They're all wrong and skewed and it's due to Pandora. It affects every park, not just AK.
 
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danlb_2000

danlb_2000

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the.dreamfinder said:
Let’s break down who’s in the land.
From Wikipedia

Heroes
Spider-Man
Wolverine
Jean Grey
Beast
Black Panther
Captain America
Hulk
Storm
Silver Surfer
Cyclops
Rogue
Namor
Ant-Man
Iron Man
Iceman
Thor
Mister Fantastic
Invisible Woman
Human Torch
Thing
Professor X
Scarlet Witch
She-Hulk

Villians
Doctor Doom
Doctor Octopus
Green Goblin
Hobgoblin
Scream
Hydro-Man
Electro
Magneto
Kingpin
MODOK
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This list include characters that just appear in artwork in the land which is not enough to make them part of the restricted characters. Black Panther is off limits because of his connection to Avengers, not because he is pictures somewhere.
 
ChrisFL

ChrisFL

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I would like to also mention that Disney's great Marvel presence so far has been to re-brand existing rides, such as Tower of Terror in DL, making a new Iron Man ride using 1980's simulator technology in HKDL, converting their Buzz Lightyear to an Ant Man ride in HKDL and now making the Rock'n'Roller Coaster at DLP into an Iron Man ride (IIRC)

So they aren't exactly breaking a lot of new ground here with the properties they can use outside of WDW.
 
HauntedPirate

HauntedPirate

Park nostalgist
Premium Member
ChrisFL said:
I would like to also mention that Disney's great Marvel presence so far has been to re-brand existing rides, such as Tower of Terror in DL, making a new Iron Man ride using 1980's simulator technology in HKDL, converting their Buzz Lightyear to an Ant Man ride in HKDL and now making the Rock'n'Roller Coaster at DLP into an Iron Man ride (IIRC)

So they aren't exactly breaking a lot of new ground here with the properties they can use outside of WDW.
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It's the Iger "de-risk" strategy in all it's "glory". :rolleyes:
 
Kamikaze

Kamikaze

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jt04 said:
Unless Disney and Uni can negotiate a deal. They should try. I would be happy to mediate.
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You mentioned a loophole, not a deal. Which is it?

joejccva71 said:
This is where it gets confusing. If Marvel is now owned by Disney, why can't they make attractions anywhere they want? What's the "clause"?
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The contract spells it out. Its characters in use in IoA and members of those characters families. So because Hulk (and others obviously) is an Avenger, any Avenger is off limits for Disney to use. Same as Disney can't use Venom because he's a Spider-man character.

Guardians of the Galaxy were not a member of any related property until after the deal was made, because the Guardians team that most people know of (the MCU version) is not the old Guardians team.

The contract spells out the US 'east of the Mississippi' as the location for the contract to be valid, which is why DLR is a totally different animal.

This is the actual contract: https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1262449/000119312510008732/dex1057.htm
 
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FrankLapidus

FrankLapidus

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joejccva71 said:
This is where it gets confusing. If Marvel is now owned by Disney, why can't they make attractions anywhere they want? What's the "clause"?
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That they can't use characters that are a part of the "families" of characters already in use at IOA. So Black Panther is off the table and this thread is consequently redundant.
 
flynnibus

flynnibus

Premium Member
joejccva71 said:
This is where it gets confusing. If Marvel is now owned by Disney, why can't they make attractions anywhere they want? What's the "clause"?
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Its not confusing at all.

When you license your IP away to someone for 'exclusive use' - that means THEY have exclusive use of it.. even tho you own it.

Marvel in its darker days licensed out it's properties to be used by Universal and in doing so gave them exclusive rights to use them in theme parks.

Disney buying marvel didn't negate those ongoing contracts.
 
marni1971

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
Otterhead said:
Yes, of course. Some people in this thread seem to believe that just because they can't use the character on the east coast, it means that they don't have the rights to use it whatsoever, or that they lost the rights to Universal, or some such thing. Clearly they can, at least, use it for meet-and-greets on the west coast.
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Gotcha. :)
 
CJR

CJR

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I would love it if Universal used BP for a real attraction. That area of the park is begging for something new, beyond a refurb. There was an Avengers ride rumored for a bit, but it seems to have went nowhere. Hopefully BP's box office success will spark that interest again.
 
Cmdr_Crimson

Cmdr_Crimson

Well-Known Member
Kamikaze said:
You mentioned a loophole, not a deal. Which is it?



The contract spells it out. Its characters in use in IoA and members of those characters families. So because Hulk (and others obviously) is an Avenger, any Avenger is off limits for Disney to use. Same as Disney can't use Venom because he's a Spider-man character.

Guardians of the Galaxy were not a member of any related property until after the deal was made, because the Guardians team that most people know of (the MCU version) is not the old Guardians team.

The contract spells out the US 'east of the Mississippi' as the location for the contract to be valid, which is why DLR is a totally different animal.

This is the actual contract: https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1262449/000119312510008732/dex1057.htm
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An easier explanation if anyone is a bit confused on the whole thing..https://www.insideuniversal.net/201...ct-what-rights-does-universal-and-disney-own/
 
Dutch Inn '76

Dutch Inn '76

Well-Known Member
CJR said:
I would love it if Universal used BP for a real attraction. That area of the park is begging for something new, beyond a refurb. There was an Avengers ride rumored for a bit, but it seems to have went nowhere. Hopefully BP's box office success will spark that interest again.
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And THIS is how, in my humble opinion, Disney eventually gets the Avengers theme park rights. I don't think that it behooves Universal to continue to develop Avengers attractions at USO because doing that only promotes the intellectual property of their main rival. Black Panther, Thor, Cap'Murica, and Iron Man are now almost as much Disney as Snow White is - and in twenty years with another generation of viewers they WILL be. In time, Universal & Disney will negotiate an ending to this "East of the Mississippi" contract because it will benefit both parties.
 

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