BLACK PANTHER huge hit!

[HauntedPirate]

They don't even need Marvel to be honest. Star Wars Land is about to explode into more than Disney will be able to handle. Crowds are already way up over what they normally are, because of Pandora. Then TSL will make it insane, and SWL will make it unbearable. There's only so many Fastpasses you can give people before both queues become backed up to the parking lot.

Whoa, man, dial back the hyperbole a little. TSL isn't going to make DHS crowds "insane". Pandora may have moved the attendance needle a little, but there are few, if any, people visiting WDW solely due to Pandora's opening. SW:GE will have its own challenges when it comes to managing crowds. But this is all due to a decade of theme park negligence in the swamps.

 

[yensidtlaw1969]

Because their must be a loophole. Disney would never build GotG unless there was.

There is no loophole. Disney has the rights to use Guardians east of the Mississippi. Not so with some other Marvel properties.

It’s that simple.

 

[jt04]

There is no loophole. Disney has the rights to use Guardians east of the Mississippi. Not so with some other Marvel properties.

It’s that simple.

Why is there an exception for GotG? Never heard that before. Are there any other exceptions?

 

[the.dreamfinder]

I can’t even.
Just going to quote myself from another thread.

That feels wrong. I think theme parks are capable of articulating unique interpretations of Africa that fit the themes of the parks they’re in. (Harambe-DAK, Wakanda-IoA or a Marvel Park, WS Pavillion) Wakanda in WS would be more crass and shallow than FEA.

An Afrofuturism TL in an African castle park would be soo cool though.

Africa is a rich, diverse continent, don’t debase such a place with shallow overlays. (Read between the lines on that one)

Also, the problem with the Marvel contract is that in being so obsessed about which characters they can put into domestic Disney parks, they have lost sight of the far more crucial threads of creative control and revenue sharing. @marni1971 notes that some at CMSA and UNI like having this power over Disney, but it’s just that Disney is too greedy and dumb to see what power they hold over them WRT Marvel.

 

[NearTheEars]

Why is there an exception for GotG? Never heard that before. Are there any other exceptions?

Where have you been the last few years?

 

[danlb_2000]

Not trolling but some how missed the sticky that explains how WDW is able to build a GotG attraction.

Especially since the characters appear along side characters featured at IoA.

Probably because the list of characters they were and were not allowed to use was set at the time the contract was made, the contract even refers to another document that lists them. The GotG characters from the movie weren't created until 2008, well after Islands of Adventure opened.

 

[the.dreamfinder]

Why is there an exception for GotG? Never heard that before. Are there any other exceptions?

Big Hero 6 would be another example. Anything Marvel has done post MCA deal that wasn’t included in MSHI that isn’t directly connected to the families like the Avengers or X-Men is a OK. Problem being that almost all of the valuable stuff, like Black Panther, is covered.

Is there a Black Panther cut out in MSHI?

 

[CaptainAmerica]

There is no loophole. Disney has the rights to use Guardians east of the Mississippi. Not so with some other Marvel properties.

It’s that simple.

No, it's not simple at all.

Why is there an exception for GotG? Never heard that before. Are there any other exceptions?

Universal's rights extend to any characters currently in use as well as those characters' "families." For example, the Dr. Doom attraction means that Universal obviously holds the rights to Dr. Doom, but Doom is also the arch-nemesis of the Fantastic Four, so Disney can't use the Fantastic Four. Universals rights extend (more or less) over the X-Men, the Fantastic Four, and the Avengers. The confusion is that, throughout Marvel's history, just about every character has been an Avenger at some point.

 

[smile]

You know that’s not WDW don’t you?

think they were referring to the disneyland in florida...
says it right there - DISNEYLAND

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Big Hero 6 would be another example. Anything Marvel has done post MCA deal that wasn’t included in MSHI that isn’t directly connected to the families like the Avengers or X-Men is a OK. Problem being that almost all of the valuable stuff, like Black Panther, is covered.

Is there a Black Panther cut out in MSHI?

T'Challa joined the Avengers in Avengers Vol. 1 #54. 1968.

 

[the.dreamfinder]

T'Challa joined the Avengers in Avengers Vol. 1 #54. 1968.

I know he’s an Avenger and would be covered. Just wondered if he’s in the land.

 

[smile]

families." - Universals rights extend (more or less) over the X-Men, the Fantastic Four, and the Avengers. The confusion is that, throughout Marvel's history, just about every character has been an Avenger at some point.

that's where it gets super-tricky...
'families' related to what's currently being used.

spidey's kind of always been on his own, but he was used from the get-go (like hulk)...
everybody else known was either being used overtly or can be connected via association with x-men, ff, or avengers.

thus far, approach has been to simply avoid anything questionable eastward, not skirt the line - certainly an odd situ, but you know there's lawyers at the ready... best to avoid

 

[the.dreamfinder]

No, it's not simple at all.


Universal's rights extend to any characters currently in use as well as those characters' "families." For example, the Dr. Doom attraction means that Universal obviously holds the rights to Dr. Doom, but Doom is also the arch-nemesis of the Fantastic Four, so Disney can't use the Fantastic Four. Universals rights extend (more or less) over the X-Men, the Fantastic Four, and the Avengers. The confusion is that, throughout Marvel's history, just about every character has been an Avenger at some point.

Let’s break down who’s in the land.
From Wikipedia

Heroes
Spider-Man
Wolverine
Jean Grey
Beast
Black Panther
Captain America
Hulk
Storm
Silver Surfer
Cyclops
Rogue
Namor
Ant-Man
Iron Man
Iceman
Thor
Mister Fantastic
Invisible Woman
Human Torch
Thing
Professor X
Scarlet Witch
She-Hulk

Villians
Doctor Doom
Doctor Octopus
Green Goblin
Hobgoblin
Scream
Hydro-Man
Electro
Magneto
Kingpin
MODOK

 

[yensidtlaw1969]

No, it's not simple at all.


Universal's rights extend to any characters currently in use as well as those characters' "families." For example, the Dr. Doom attraction means that Universal obviously holds the rights to Dr. Doom, but Doom is also the arch-nemesis of the Fantastic Four, so Disney can't use the Fantastic Four. Universals rights extend (more or less) over the X-Men, the Fantastic Four, and the Avengers. The confusion is that, throughout Marvel's history, just about every character has been an Avenger at some point.

I meant that it’s as simple as Disney building an attraction based on an IP they have the right to use re: Guardians.

The deal itself may be complicated, but we can rest assured that Disney’s lawyers know it intimately enough to keep the parks from investing in attractions that will get them into legal trouble. Any Marvel attractions built in WDW will be because Disney has the right to do so.

In this case it’s not because of a loophole, it’s because east coast park rights are available to Disney for Guardians.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

Is there a Black Panther cut out in MSHI?

He's part of a mural inside the Captain America Diner.

 

[jaxonp]

Universal is limited to the older comic style of Marvel which looks completely diffeeent from Disney’s Marvel. The only reason Uni wants to hold onto it is so that WDW can’t go Marvel Crazy in Orlando. Which is a good thing. Honestly the Marvel island at IOA sucks. Hulk could, the spinner the drop towers could be themed to anything. The only loss, and it would be major, is Spider-Man. That’s still a top 5 attraction in the world, IMO.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

In this case it’s not because of a loophole, it’s because east coast park rights are available to Disney for Guardians.

That itself is a loophole.

General rule: Universal owns East coast theme park rights to Marvel characters...
Loophole: ...unless a particular character isn't currently in use or related to a family that is currently in use.

 

[Princess Leia]

Universal is limited to the older comic style of Marvel which looks completely diffeeent from Disney’s Marvel. The only reason Uni wants to hold onto it is so that WDW can’t go Marvel Crazy in Orlando. Which is a good thing. Honestly the Marvel island at IOA sucks. Hulk could, the spinner the drop towers could be themed to anything. The only loss, and it would be major, is Spider-Man. That’s still a top 5 attraction in the world, IMO.

Don’t forget Storm Force... honestly the X-Men deserve a second attraction. Keep Storm Force for the kids, but have a family rollercoaster/ dark ride too (that doesn’t require 3D glasses).

The whole island needs a new look. Spider-Man is amazing, but everything around it looks cheap (Storm, Doom, the shops, etc).

 

[Princess Leia]

Do we have a status for Captain Marvel? She was in the Avengers family as Ms. Marvel in the 80s, so I’m guessing Disney won’t be able to use her at WDW next year, but I didn’t expect Doctor Strange to be used either.

 

[jt04]

Universal/NBC should prove their progressive posturing by carving out an exception for Black Panther. Disney could repay the gesture by giving up IoA Marvel merchandise monies.

Solved.