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Big changes coming to FASTPASS in March
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HIPPA too.
Tom
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Mostly HIPPA.
"I see you're missing a leg, but I'm not allowed to ask if your impairment is the ability to walk."
flynnibus
Premium Member
The problem does not compound through the day.
The simple feedback loop of the wait time itself prevents that. While ride capacity is fixed, how many people will get in line is NOT fixed. If 1000 people an hour are getting in line, but the ride can only handle 500, the line will not keep getting longer and longer as long as the ride is open. When the line gets to a point people are no longer willing to tolerate the wait, they skip the attraction and do something else - causing the previous constant inflow of people to the line (demand) to CHANGE. Hence demand is not constant nor fixed - there is a feedback loop in there as well as the patience to wait is not fixed either, but alters as people's priorities shift. The result of this is the number of people in front of you is NOT based on what happened hours and hours ago. It's based on a time window ahead of you and the wait during that time window. It's a sliding window, not the time window since the attraction opened.
These 'zero sum' and 'cumulative effect' arguments are all bunkus.
Fractal514
Well-Known Member
I'm not making it a good vs bad. I'm not applying morality, I'm just saying that some people have a tough time in these nebulous situations and would prefer the rules be crystal clear and applied.
Brian Noble
Well-Known Member
This is not the first time that Disney has gone Orwellian.
"We have always been at war with Eastasia."
Tomi-Rocket
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Hooray!!
My family gladly looks forward to this change. We are some of those crazy people who actually go back within the timeframe given to us! And we really appreciate the idea that while we made scheduled our time to get back within our timeframe that people who just totally ignored their time are ahead of us in line.
I do foresee, however, those poor CM's who will be verbally abused due to the change. I hope that doesn't happen but I know the sense of entitlement a LOT of folks have these days.
So from my family to Disney - Yay! And THANK YOU!!
And to the CM's - good luck!!
My family gladly looks forward to this change. We are some of those crazy people who actually go back within the timeframe given to us! And we really appreciate the idea that while we made scheduled our time to get back within our timeframe that people who just totally ignored their time are ahead of us in line.
I do foresee, however, those poor CM's who will be verbally abused due to the change. I hope that doesn't happen but I know the sense of entitlement a LOT of folks have these days.
So from my family to Disney - Yay! And THANK YOU!!
And to the CM's - good luck!!
Tom
Beta Return
Really, ignoring everything else in this thread, I agree 100% with this comment. I definitely feel for the CMs, as they're going to be right in the line of fire, and will be unjustly abused by guests because of this.
David S.
Member
Excellent point. And I would also like to point out that even though I am on the "against the changes" side of the debate, that I never have, and never will, harass, yell at, or otherwise abuse a CM over a misunderstanding or policy I didn't like.
I hope everyone out there understands that not all people who prefer that the current system stay like it is are the type who would do this.
In fact, I will go as far as to say (and this is coming from a HUGE FP user) that if the Fastpass system was permanently abolished, this would not bother me, if only because the system even as it is now results in lots of CM abuse. I know from talking to CM friends and aquaintances that many have been verbally or even physically abused by guests upset about things such as not getting let in with their FP early, or by people in standby being held at the merge point.
So for these reasons I'd be OK with just letting the FP system fade into "Yesterworld" in the interest of the CMs.
flynnibus
Premium Member
I really don't think there will be this huge attack on CMs.
Everyone who were FP horders in the past knew they were working in a space above and beyond what the system advertised. People weren't doing this and being oblivious that they were doing it.
So once the people are informed of this change.. they'll quickly adapt. I don't think many will 'fight back' and take it out on the CM. As soon as these people realize it's not just ONE person trying to be strict, but EVERYWHERE is like this, they will adapt.
The few that will go all ballistic are the aholes that are going to do this regardless once there is something to push their buttons.
The hardest part will be simply avoiding guests finding this out when they hit the FP return line. If Disney can make sure guests know this BEFORE they try to return late.. I don't think there will be conflicts at all. The problem will be if guests DON'T KNOW and then put themselves in a bad spot. But again, if guests are convinced this is a consistent change... the VAST majority will adapt and move on.
That's why I said many pages ago.. the most interesting part of this is how Disney gets the word out and avoids the conflict.
Everyone who were FP horders in the past knew they were working in a space above and beyond what the system advertised. People weren't doing this and being oblivious that they were doing it.
So once the people are informed of this change.. they'll quickly adapt. I don't think many will 'fight back' and take it out on the CM. As soon as these people realize it's not just ONE person trying to be strict, but EVERYWHERE is like this, they will adapt.
The few that will go all ballistic are the aholes that are going to do this regardless once there is something to push their buttons.
The hardest part will be simply avoiding guests finding this out when they hit the FP return line. If Disney can make sure guests know this BEFORE they try to return late.. I don't think there will be conflicts at all. The problem will be if guests DON'T KNOW and then put themselves in a bad spot. But again, if guests are convinced this is a consistent change... the VAST majority will adapt and move on.
That's why I said many pages ago.. the most interesting part of this is how Disney gets the word out and avoids the conflict.
Rasvar
Well-Known Member
File me in the category too. I won't lie to get extra benefits. I only use what is available.
Brian Noble
Well-Known Member
Ditto. I was happy to use them to the end of the operating day before. I will be fine using them within the defined time now.
People do notice when it seems that a great deal more FP users practically halt the standby line. In my opinion, Disney issues too many.
Buried20KLeague
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I don't either.
Fractal514
Well-Known Member
The two places I have noticed it the most. Killamanjaro and TSMM. I have seen both of these stand by lines stop for 5-10 minutes while FP's just flooded in. It sucked.
RSoxNo1
Well-Known Member
What's interesting is that in terms of Fastpass attractions those two are the top and bottom of the scale in terms of capacity.
PhilharMagician
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Yeah, it does suck when you are in the SB line watching all these people just blow by you. Hopefully it can get to more of a 50/50 split all day long with the change. It all depends on how many FP's get distributed.
Does anyone know what TSMM is doing in the guest per hour #'s? I remember number being tossed around when it first opened and they were slowly getting better and then they changed the load area.
invader
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PhilharMagician
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That will most likely happen, but that is not really a bad thing in the end.