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Brer Oswald

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I have been thinking about this thru the eyes of those who are politically adverse. Since Aladdin is set in the middle east, I do not see any way a dark ride is developed around this movie--it is just a no win scenario. Too bad, as this was a terrific movie -- even liked the re boot.
They need to stop looking through these eyes and more through the eyes of the guests that go to the parks to have a fun time and explore worlds they can't anywhere else. Agrabah is not the Middle East. It may be inspired by it, but it is still very much a fictional location.
 

WaltWiz1901

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I don't really have a lot to say over whether Aladdin or Moana is more deserving of an attraction other than both films are full of potential that has been criminally untapped in the parks (though Arabian Coast comes incredibly close).

Journey of Water could have easily been built without the Moana trimmings, yet the IP mandate requires that they be laid on. Much has been said about how cooler a magic carpet dark ride through Agrabah and the Cave of Wonders would be than the spinners that already exist, so I won't re-iterate much there, but Motunui and Te Fiti alone are luscious locales that would make for perfect theme park environments
 

MR.Dis

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They need to stop looking through these eyes and more through the eyes of the guests that go to the parks to have a fun time and explore worlds they can't anywhere else. Agrabah is not the Middle East. It may be inspired by it, but it is still very much a fictional location.
I will point out that Splash Mountain was exactly what people wanted, one of the most beloved attractions in all WDW. Yet, it is now history. It seems to matter little what Most guests like, but what All guest can accept.
 

osian

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They need to stop looking through these eyes and more through the eyes of the guests that go to the parks to have a fun time and explore worlds they can't anywhere else. Agrabah is not the Middle East. It may be inspired by it, but it is still very much a fictional location.
If Agrabah shouldn't be equated with the Middle East, doesn't that also mean that Arendelle shouldn't be equated with Norway?
 

Brer Oswald

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I will point out that Splash Mountain was exactly what people wanted, one of the most beloved attractions in all WDW. Yet, it is now history. It seems to matter little what Most guests like, but what All guest can accept.
You're preaching to the choir about Splash. I maintain the belief that it should not have been "removed" when there are dozens of attractions not up to par with guest expectations. As fans, we either choose to live with it, or we start vacationing elsewhere. While I still love WDW (and intend to visit when there are deals), the latter is becoming easier to do given the lacklustre additions as of late (and the ones in the pipeline). I was hoping for some more interesting stuff with this expansion, but it seems they are going the "predictable" route.
If Agrabah shouldn't be equated with the Middle East, doesn't that also mean that Arendelle shouldn't be equated with Norway?
Absolutely. That ride should not have gone in that pavillion. Maelstrom was in need of a major update, but the path they chose was incredibly lame and safe.
 

KDM31091

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I hope the rumors of Radiator Springs are not true, as this is a huge project and probably the biggest MK will ever see anytime in the foreseeable future. I don’t want clones. Give us brand new things.

I agree Aladdin deserves more than a spinner and some more true water rides where you can cool off would be great too.
 

Brer Oswald

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I hope the rumors of Radiator Springs are not true, as this is a huge project and probably the biggest MK will ever see anytime in the foreseeable future. I don’t want clones. Give us brand new things.

I agree Aladdin deserves more than a spinner and some more true water rides where you can cool off would be great too.
Right. I was hoping for ambitious risk taking projects that add visual diversity to the park. I'm not sold on Villains based on concept alone, but it still fits this description and could pay off MASSIVELY.

I'm hesitant towards Cars and Moana (and Coco to a much lesser extent). Too safe. Too uniform. Too predictable. Not "otherworldy" enough.
 

KDM31091

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Right. I was hoping for ambitious risk taking projects that add visual diversity to the park. I'm not sold on Villains based on concept alone, but it still fits this description and could pay off MASSIVELY.

I'm hesitant towards Cars and Moana (and Coco to a much lesser extent). Too safe. Too uniform. Too predictable. Not "otherworldy" enough.
Exactly. I want new and exciting and “risky” attractions for the biggest expansion ever done to the park. That’s the only way to really excite me.
 

DisneyDean97

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Think of Shanghai Pirates as more like Cosmic Rewind, where the vehicle can be spun to face any direction, where Moana is more like Indiana Jones or Dinosaur!, where the vehicle can be made to feel like it's experiencing turbulence.

(I suppose it's possible Moana may also be able to face the boats in any direction, but I haven't yet heard that myself)
But is the whole ride the boat parked in front of a dome screen, and moves like an EMV ? or can it be a traditional flume too, and then go into a room with the dome screen, do its sequence and then move out of the dome screen?
 

MerlinTheGoat

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But is the whole ride the boat parked in front of a dome screen, and moves like an EMV ? or can it be a traditional flume too, and then go into a room with the dome screen, do its sequence and then move out of the dome screen?
If these diagrams were ever intended to be used with the Splash Mtn looking idea seen in the original AK concept art, then presumably the boats would have to be able to dynamically connect and disconnect to that rocking mechanism. Otherwise I would figure a big drop like that would be fairly impossible.
 

WaltWiz1901

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I hope the rumors of Radiator Springs are not true, as this is a huge project and probably the biggest MK will ever see anytime in the foreseeable future. I don’t want clones. Give us brand new things.
I want new and exciting and “risky” attractions for the biggest expansion ever done to the park. That’s the only way to really excite me.
While it's inevitable that some things would be cloned every now and then, as I've said in another thread, I would argue that every castle park needs at least one or two exclusive major draws to call their own. The Magic Kingdom, in its current state, is lacking on that front, especially when its closest comparison - a park that started out cloning a lot of its DNA - now has four, soon to be five, unique major attractions (or takes on attractions) to itself.

The average vacationer wouldn't care one way or another, the more fanatical parkgoer would have another incentive to take the pilgrimage. Everyone wins!
Absolutely. That ride should not have gone in that pavillion. Maelstrom was in need of a major update, but the path they chose was incredibly lame and safe.
It's especially evident when most of the international resorts have gotten or will get more thematically fitting mini-lands devoted to Frozen and they had a perfectly fine alternate concept to use without tainting EPCOT's soul. For the film that dethroned The Lion King as the highest grossing animated feature film, they should've shot for the moon and given New Fantasyland the major attraction it sorely yearned for
 

Brer Panther

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Remember that image with Imagineering testing out a pre-vis ride thru of a decidedly Coco-based attraction a few years ago? Well, what if, hypothetically we were getting that. And instead of the costly and massive footprint of a Soarin 2.0 Alebrijes Flight E ticket we would get a Soarin-esque ride sequence combined with classic darkride movements within a souped up, projection-heavy C-ticket dark ride. Could the BBT Coco attraction be a variation of the "black box" flex ride attraction concept?

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Please, no more screen-based trackless dark rides. Runaway Railway and Ratatouille are bad enough.
Aladdin would likely be a flight over and through the desert, the city of Agrabah, into the Cave of Wonders. Likely encounters with an animatronic Genie, and the giant snake Jafar. Super iconic locations and super iconic ride vehicle, being the Magic Carpet. There’s a lot of wish fulfillment possible here that the current spinner doesn’t deliver.
Somebody on this site did a pitch for an Aladdin dark ride where the "Friend Like Me" sequence was represented by the riders going inside the Genie's lamp. If they ever actually did an Aladdin dark ride, I think they should totally do that.
With Moana, you have another boat ride through the tropics (Jungle Cruise and Pirates anyone?) maybe with an encounter of a giant crab.
Tamatoa WOULD make a pretty cool animatronic... with our luck, though, they'd probably just have him on a screen.
I have been thinking about this thru the eyes of those who are politically adverse. Since Aladdin is set in the middle east, I do not see any way a dark ride is developed around this movie--it is just a no win scenario.
Ah, jeez, you make a good point. They put a disclaimer in front of it on Disney Plus... they probably consider it too problematic to build an attraction for.

I wonder if this'll affect Jafar's presence in the hypothetical villains' land.
 

fgmnt

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While it's inevitable that some things would be cloned every now and then, as I've said in another thread, I would argue that every castle park needs at least one or two exclusive major draws to call their own. The Magic Kingdom, in its current state, is lacking on that front, especially when its closest comparison - a park that started out cloning a lot of its DNA - now has four, soon to be five, unique major attractions (or takes on attractions) to itself.

The average vacationer wouldn't care one way or another, the more fanatical parkgoer would have another incentive to take the pilgrimage. Everyone wins!

It's especially evident when most of the international resorts have gotten or will get more thematically fitting mini-lands devoted to Frozen and they had a perfectly fine alternate concept to use without tainting EPCOT's soul. For the film that dethroned The Lion King as the highest grossing animated feature film, they should've shot for the moon and given New Fantasyland the major attraction it sorely yearned for
Frozen Ever After is Iger’s historic myopia towards the park and general risk aversion made manifest.
 

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Please, no more screen-based trackless dark rides. Runaway Railway and Ratatouille are bad enough.
They really are. Definitely not as good as they could/should have been. Railway especially. And that's coming from a fan of the modern Mickey shorts. Rat is successful but still lacking. I think the tech is fine they just haven't done it justice yet.

*If Coco were to go trackless, I feel like the "black box" concept of a projection/screen-based setup would actually work well. Visually, the subject matter, especially the Day of the Dead sequences nearly hearken back to the days of "Laff in the Dark" rides with UV florescence scenes, painted flats and swinging doors. It's the same vibe. The Alebrijes especially have that traditional glowy quality. Because of that style and because it hasn't been explored yet in a trackless system, I think it has the potential to create something more intimate, more nostalgic. I think if WDI were to explore that aspect, they'd have a compelling attraction or at least something that doesn't feel like riding around in a wide-open warehouse as is typical of most LPS rides.
 
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Chef idea Mickey`=

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Yeah...that would ruin the natural realism of the park. ;)

I don't think Galaxy’s Edge is natural fit for Disneyland

If Agrabah shouldn't be equated with the Middle East, doesn't that also mean that Arendelle shouldn't be equated with Norway?
It shouldn't but now that Disney now has Morocco isn't it now on the same scope as Norway..

Absolutely. That ride should not have gone in that pavillion. Maelstrom was in need of a major update, but the path they chose was incredibly lame and safe.
Unfortunately I think they were pushing for IP at Epcot instead of having Magic Kingdom have the very first World of Arrendale which would been so epic for the US first. Hong Kong Disneyland of course would still have the best because of the mountain landscape. For them it's like easier cost of replacement is better than building from scratch (domestic parks only nowadays).

hope the rumors of Radiator Springs are not true, as this is a huge project and probably the biggest MK will ever see anytime in the foreseeable future. I don’t want clones. Give us brand new things.

I agree Aladdin deserves more than a spinner and some more true water rides where you can cool off would be great too.
Your going to have something new, something new big, but your still going along have somethings that Disney knows works and will bring the crowds, kids, families. If anything of a Villains land is considered promised then Disney also wants to incorporate something additional for kids, families that wouldn't be interested in the much more adult teen Villain expansion.
 
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