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mattpeto

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First, Return of Jafar isn’t Robin, it’s Genie Homer. Second, his will prevents Disney from using unused voice footage I think for 20 years post death, so you get stuck with only exact movie lines.
This is a quite the rabbit hole but in Once Upon a Studio...

The piece of audio used for Williams came from one of the actor's many unused outtakes that he recorded years ago for Aladdin. Abraham sifted through 16 hours of archived recordings to pick the perfect soundbite. "We got the approval of the Robin Williams estate very, very early on," he says. "We told them what we wanted to do and they were like, 'Yep, this is great.' Using original dialogue of his was very important to us."

 

TrainsOfDisney

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First, Return of Jafar isn’t Robin, it’s Genie Homer. Second, his will prevents Disney from using unused voice footage I think for 20 years post death, so you get stuck with only exact movie lines.
Still plenty to use for an attraction though.

I think Coco is a great movie and Moana was ok. But Aladdin is such a no brainer! Get over yourself Bob! Use the more popular IP’s!!!
 

Advisable Joseph

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Remember that image with Imagineering testing out a pre-vis ride thru of a decidedly Coco-based attraction a few years ago? Well, what if, hypothetically we were getting that. And instead of the costly and massive footprint of a Soarin 2.0 Alebrijes Flight E ticket we would get a Soarin-esque ride sequence combined with classic darkride movements within a souped up, projection-heavy C-ticket dark ride. Could the BBT Coco attraction be a variation of the "black box" flex ride attraction concept?

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Finally tracked down the discussion you referenced:


Now have to find where @marni1971 talked about a "black box."
 

The Leader of the Club

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That would actually be popular, so there’s no chance they do it.
Moana has consistently been one of the most streamed movies. It’s incredibly popular with kids (Disney’s target market) and parents alike.

Aladdin is popular and I’d love to see an attraction in set that world, but let’s not pretend that Moana is any less deserving.
 

TrainsOfDisney

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Moana has consistently been one of the most streamed movies. It’s incredibly popular with kids (Disney’s target market) and parents alike.

Aladdin is popular and I’d love to see an attraction in set that world, but let’s not pretend that Moana is any less deserving.
Moana has not stood the test of time that Alladin has. It certainly could. Disney needs to care about the popularity of an IP just as much as who the CEO was when the IP was made.

A quality Moana attraction could be crazy fun though!
 

Brer Oswald

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Moana has consistently been one of the most streamed movies. It’s incredibly popular with kids (Disney’s target market) and parents alike.

Aladdin is popular and I’d love to see an attraction in set that world, but let’s not pretend that Moana is any less deserving.
Ignoring popularity comparisons (which I still think would go to Aladdin), let’s just compare the visuals you would expect to see.

Aladdin would likely be a flight over and through the desert, the city of Agrabah, into the Cave of Wonders. Likely encounters with an animatronic Genie, and the giant snake Jafar. Super iconic locations and super iconic ride vehicle, being the Magic Carpet. There’s a lot of wish fulfillment possible here that the current spinner doesn’t deliver.

With Moana, you have another boat ride through the tropics (Jungle Cruise and Pirates anyone?) maybe with an encounter of a giant crab. Maybe they play around with that open sea simulator patent…but do we really want to see ANOTHER screen heavy dark ride? Moana is just not as visual interesting or innovative compared to Aladdin.
 

Surferboy567

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Ignoring popularity comparisons (which I still think would go to Aladdin), let’s just compare the visuals you would expect to see.

Aladdin would likely be a flight over and through the desert, the city of Agrabah, into the Cave of Wonders. Likely encounters with an animatronic Genie, and the giant snake Jafar. Super iconic locations and super iconic ride vehicle, being the Magic Carpet. There’s a lot of wish fulfillment possible here that the current spinner doesn’t deliver.

With Moana, you have another boat ride through the tropics (Jungle Cruise and Pirates anyone?) maybe with an encounter of a giant crab. Maybe they play around with that open sea simulator patent…but do we really want to see ANOTHER screen heavy dark ride? Moana is just not as visual interesting or innovative compared to Aladdin.
Aladdin is my favorite Disney movie and I’m baffled it doesn’t have an attraction and no a spinner flat ride doesn’t count. Moana though, is in my opinion is a great Disney film and also deserves to have an attraction. Why do we have to choose? They’d both be great, also I could use another water ride in WDW not a boat ride but something akin to Splash or Grizzly River Run. Moana is also a PERFECT fit for Adventureland it feels tailormade. Aladdin would also fit not to the extent of Moana though.

I’m also equally baffled a park about animals that has a movie so essential to its DNA also doesn’t have an attraction.
 

James Alucobond

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With Moana, you have another boat ride through the tropics (Jungle Cruise and Pirates anyone?) maybe with an encounter of a giant crab. Maybe they play around with that open sea simulator patent…but do we really want to see ANOTHER screen heavy dark ride? Moana is just not as visual interesting or innovative compared to Aladdin.
I actually feel a magic carpet simulator would have a much higher chance of being 100% screen-based than a Moana boat attraction given how attractions are currently designed. Just because you’ve put together a cool Aladdin dark ride in your head doesn’t mean it is a more dark ride-friendly IP.
 

Brer Oswald

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I actually feel a magic carpet simulator would have a much higher chance of being 100% screen-based than a Moana boat attraction given how attractions are currently designed. Just because you’ve put together a cool Aladdin dark ride in your head doesn’t mean it is a more dark ride-friendly IP.
How on earth would you do Moana without it being screen based? Majority of the ride is out on the open, endless sea. Unless they went in a new direction with it (which they rarely do with IPs these days).
 

James Alucobond

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How on earth would you do Moana without it being screen based? Majority of the ride is out on the open, endless sea. Unless they went in a new direction with it (which they rarely do with IPs these days).
I am not saying there wouldn’t be screens, just that an Aladdin magic carpet simulator would almost certainly park you in front of one large screen the entire time.
 

Brer Oswald

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Aladdin is my favorite Disney movie and I’m baffled it doesn’t have an attraction and no a spinner flat ride doesn’t count. Moana though, is in my opinion is a great Disney film and also deserves to have an attraction. Why do we have to choose? They’d both be great, also I could use another water ride in WDW not a boat ride but something akin to Splash or Grizzly River Run. Moana is also a PERFECT fit for Adventureland it feels tailormade. Aladdin would also fit not to the extent of Moana though.

I’m also equally baffled a park about animals that has a movie so essential to its DNA also doesn’t have an attraction.
Moana just doesn't strike me as the type of film to translate as well to a full ride. I think the walkthrough in Epcot looks neat and seems to represent the film's environments well. Maybe a show in Adventureland to play into the film's musical identity would be more fitting? I'd hate to see one of the last expansion plots at the Magic Kingdom go to another tropical boat ride when there are two next door.
 

yensidtlaw1969

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Shanghai Pirates tech is the assumed ride type.
Not exactly:

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Think of Shanghai Pirates as more like Cosmic Rewind, where the vehicle can be spun to face any direction, where Moana is more like Indiana Jones or Dinosaur!, where the vehicle can be made to feel like it's experiencing turbulence.

(I suppose it's possible Moana may also be able to face the boats in any direction, but I haven't yet heard that myself)
 

The Leader of the Club

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Moana just doesn't strike me as the type of film to translate as well to a full ride. I think the walkthrough in Epcot looks neat and seems to represent the film's environments well. Maybe a show in Adventureland to play into the film's musical identity would be more fitting? I'd hate to see one of the last expansion plots at the Magic Kingdom go to another tropical boat ride when there are two next door.
I think lumping in Jungle and Pirates as “tropical boat rides” is a disservice to those attractions. They have completely different vibes and atmospheres than each other as well as Moana. The Caribbean is different than Polynesia which is different than the jungle.

That does make the left side of MK very water-ride heavy, but that wasn’t a problem when it was Jungle, Pirates, and Splash so I don’t think adding one more is a misstep.
 

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HOUSE OF MAGIC
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I hope that's true, since it's a good way to separate it from pirates and jungle cruise next door
Id prefer something else for that IP. Another boat ride seems a waste.
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Think of Shanghai Pirates as more like Cosmic Rewind, where the vehicle can be spun to face any direction, where Moana is more like Indiana Jones or Dinosaur!, where the vehicle can be made to feel like it's experiencing turbulence.

(I suppose it's possible Moana may also be able to face the boats in any direction, but I haven't yet heard that myself)
That's better. Save the Shanghai tech for another IP.
 

MR.Dis

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Aladdin is my favorite Disney movie and I’m baffled it doesn’t have an attraction and no a spinner flat ride doesn’t count. Moana though, is in my opinion is a great Disney film and also deserves to have an attraction. Why do we have to choose? They’d both be great, also I could use another water ride in WDW not a boat ride but something akin to Splash or Grizzly River Run. Moana is also a PERFECT fit for Adventureland it feels tailormade. Aladdin would also fit not to the extent of Moana though.

I’m also equally baffled a park about animals that has a movie so essential to its DNA also doesn’t have an attraction.
I have been thinking about this thru the eyes of those who are politically adverse. Since Aladdin is set in the middle east, I do not see any way a dark ride is developed around this movie--it is just a no win scenario. Too bad, as this was a terrific movie -- even liked the re boot.
 

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