News 'Beyond Big Thunder Mountain' Blue Sky concept revealed for Magic Kingdom

[ᗩLᘿᑕ ✨ ᗩζᗩᗰ]

main street theater ? that location for a temporary home for parade warehouse.

Bad joke. Apologies. To your question though, maybe? It wouldn't be a terrible location for additional office infrastructure or parade storage. I wonder what they can really do on that plot. Seems a terrible waste to not use it. Especially if they could find a way to build attractions on it.

 

[doctornick]

The expansion plot is here, assuming that's the furthest north they intend to go with it. Prior expansion plans for this land back in the late 90s and early 2000s included a new walkway that went between POTC and Jungle Cruise-

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However, it's likely that the parade itself would be halted temporarily at some point during construction due to the crossing roads needing to be reworked. It needs to go through Caribbean Way to get back to Main Street. And that road would end up being impacted in some way. Unless they build some sort of temporary bypass.

If they really wanted to keep that route, they could design it so Caribbean Way goes down a story to the same level as the Utilidors and the guest path is just an bridge over it. The guest areas of Magic Kingdom are, after all, on the second level and there is an entire underground floor below the park.

That said, it sounds like an unnecessary plan to to anything of the sort when the easy/obvious solution is to simply re-route Caribbean Way to go around Moana/whatever is built there. It is pretty simple to just put in a road that lines the perimeter of the expansion area.

 

[GenChi]

It’s a strategic business operation chasing growth. Why don’t you look at American demographic trends as a start, extrapolate past 2050 and then go from there. Frozen is adequately represented in FL with planned expansion in CA and heavy representation globally.

I actually can agree here. Demographic trends are important and looked at for future expansion and what might have longevity (this is also another reason why despite constant bickering GFT isn't leaving for Coco, people here really underestimate the popularity Three Cabs characters have with that demographic which means it's better to have both) and that might be a strong indicator why the next two major WDW expansions might be Latin American themed.

At the same time I just don't get why they think trends indicate Frozen isn't going to have domestic longevity and that one ride is enough to quell the interest which is clearly bigger then Coco, but meanwhile also how the clearly see Frozen as a great massive investment with upcoming films and international themed lands. Now if California actually gets that Frozen land the point is moot, but especially those with kids won't fly to Paris or China just to see Frozen at a Disney park which would make it weird they see Frozen as big enough for significant attraction investment every market but the US.

 

[MisterPenguin]

What about the area where the Theater was suppose to go... Disney could build a temporary location over there

Can't. That's were my cabana will be.

 

[Brer Panther]

I can't remember if anyone has brought this up before, and I hate to be the one to say this, but let's say Moana 2 bombs horrifically in theaters and is actually a really bad movie lol.... Even with the HUGE popularity of the original movie and fanbase it has, does anyone think their might be a chance Disney panics and scraps the Moana ride

Well, the recent Indiana Jones movie's flopping isn't stopping Disney from turning Dinosaur into an Indiana Jones ride, so...

 

[SCOTLORR]

For those who may be in the know: Is BBT an either/or situation where they're going to choose one of either RSR and a Coco ride? Or could we potentially see a BBT that includes both of them?

 

[neo999955]

I'm definitely hoping for a Coco and Villains land, but all the talk of how 'turbocharged' their plans are for the parks make me think exclusively of Cars and makes me think Cars is most likely to make it in. Hope to be wrong though! Coco would be so beautiful and I love that film.

Also, for Moana, I hope they take some inspiration from Fire Mountain and make something really gorgeous, a Water Mountain. That said, I really hope they nail it with that ride.

Imagine seeing this in the distance with a large waterfall added to he front: Motunui.

I think we can assume they won't launch the first half of BTM AND Moana at the same time. Do we think BTM p1 -> Moana -> BTM p2? Maybe something like 2027, 2029, 2032?

 

[OSUPhantom]

I think we can assume they won't launch the first half of BTM AND Moana at the same time. Do we think BTM p1 -> Moana -> BTM p2? Maybe something like 2027, 2029, 2032?

Moving BBT and Moana at the same time would be more efficient since you can likely work both sites from a single construction/laydown set up. Not saying it’ll happen but there’s reason to advance both at the same time.

 

[Disgruntled Walt]

Water Mountain

So a mountain...in which you get splashed??

 

[PREMiERdrum]

Moving BBT and Moana at the same time would be more efficient since you can likely work both sites from a single construction/laydown set up. Not saying it’ll happen but there’s reason to advance both at the same time.

The AL expansion pad is nearly shovel-ready.

IF things move forward as currently envisioned, I'd expect Moana in AL and Tropical Americas at AK on the fastest timetable while BBTM infrastructure kicks off, then BBTM pase 1 and either DHS *or* AK E-ticket next, and then BBTM phase 2 if that ever happens.

Again, as currently envisioned. Subject to change without notice. Your milage may vary. If you experience "magic" lasting more than four hours, call you doctor.

 

[Disgruntled Walt]

AK E-ticket next

Wait, sorry, I'm confused. Which AK E-Ticket are we talking about here? Avatar 2nd attraction? Lion King dark ride? One of the tropical things?

 

[OSUPhantom]

The AL expansion pad is nearly shovel-ready.

IF things move forward as currently envisioned, I'd expect Moana in AL and Tropical Americas at AK on the fastest timetable while BBTM infrastructure kicks off, then BBTM pase 1 and either DHS *or* AK E-ticket next, and then BBTM phase 2 if that ever happens.

Again, as currently envisioned. Subject to change without notice. Your milage may vary. If you experience "magic" lasting more than four hours, call you doctor.

That would make sense. They’d still get some efficiencies from doing the early work for BBT as they advance Moana.

 

[PREMiERdrum]

Wait, sorry, I'm confused. Which AK E-Ticket are we talking about here? Avatar 2nd attraction? Lion King dark ride? One of the tropical things?

There is some interest in adding the Lion King E-ticket from DLP *or* the Avatar "experience" coming to DL at AK as an expansion past Tropical Americas. I'm not convinced they'll find enough coins in the sofa, but since it's what they're laying out it should be considered as construction timelines are drafted.

 

[Disnutz311]

Since we are playing with crayons a little bit...

Red is railroad track. Build new track first and then connect for least down time
Green is new plot of land for expansion
Tom Sawyer island shaved down to make room room for Riverboat. No more foot traffic on Island. New sets on island.
Mauve is guest foot path
Orange is new HM Queue

 

[castlecake2.0]

Technically the train likely never actually had to close down during Tron's construction to begin with. In the 1990s when rebuilding the Frontierland station, they kept it open to Toontown (then Starland) and ran it backwards to get there. Whatever they end up doing for Beyond BTM, they could technically do the same and even keep all stations open.

I don’t think you’ll ever see that operation again after what happened in 2009

 

[James Alucobond]

I think I'd prefer seeing an arrangement like this, with the Frontierland extension being connected to Dark Kingdom Z1 via drawbridge (of marigolds?) and zones 1 and 2 having either an underpass or overpass between them where the train is. Haunted Mansion queue would obviously have to be reconfigured. I think this also retains pretty much all structures on TSI, and a secondary Liberty Belle dock in zone 2 could be cool.

 

[Advisable Joseph]

Sites under review:
....
- MK, west of BTM (phase 1)

Is that squeezed in between the mountain and the canal, or is that west of the canal?
The former looks like just enough space for a walkway.

 

[ᗩLᘿᑕ ✨ ᗩζᗩᗰ]

Remember that image with Imagineering testing out a pre-vis ride thru of a decidedly Coco-based attraction a few years ago? Well, what if, hypothetically we were getting that. And instead of the costly and massive footprint of a Soarin 2.0 Alebrijes Flight E ticket we would get a Soarin-esque ride sequence combined with classic darkride movements within a souped up, projection-heavy C-ticket dark ride. Could the BBT Coco attraction be a variation of the "black box" flex ride attraction concept?

 

[Brer Oswald]

Yes and in its place will be a glorious Cave of Wonders attraction themed to Aladdin.

That would actually be popular, so there’s no chance they do it.

 

[Touchdown]

Hard to do any Aladdin attraction without Robin, no one can mimic him well enough and people are going to expect and want Genie to be a major presence on any Aladdin ride.