News 'Beyond Big Thunder Mountain' Blue Sky concept revealed for Magic Kingdom

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Cliff

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No Name said:
Aside from just how utterly condescending this sounds, there’s no blaming regular people on this. Parks like Six Flags, Cedar Point, etc. add a new major attraction every few years. If Disney can’t afford to add more than one thing per decade, as they’re losing significant market share to Universal, then they need to seriously change something from within.
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Disney has been blowing money like a drunken sailor all over the different areas of the company. Disney + has cost them billions upon billions with with not one cent of profit! There are shows that have cost three times the production costs that were actually necessary. And....many of them were just junk that didn't even look that they cost that much. Lucasfilm, Marvel and Pixar are failing badly. Linear TV is sinking fast too. The list goes on and on.

Some might say: "So what!...our parks are bulletproof and they will ALWAYS be there to bail Disney out of it's other losses...relax...no need to worry!!"

OK,...now the parks...the last great Disney defense wall...is now beginning to crack. Iger first blamed the parks attendance on Florida "summer heat" in a Sun Valley interview. Then he told investors last month, "no,....the slowness today is due to the incredible SUCCESS of last year's WDW 50th celebration" Yes,...Disney literally told this to investors on the live call. Can you believe that?

Every problem that Disney has today...and they have a LOT of them...can be traced to ONE thing....the extreme AROGANT culture in Disney executive boardroom and it's Board members. They have this "Titanic-style" mentality of:

"We are so big and strong that not even God can sink us....that's why we don't worry about icebergs!...full speed ahead!!"

Disney,...you are hitting icebergs left and right. You are taking on water! STOP!...and back out of that icefield that you are in...and LEARN TO BE HUMBLE! You are NOT as indestructible as you believe you are! Your Titanic ARROGANCE and utter HUBRIS are sinking the company.

It took 100 years to build that halo over your logo. Yes,...100 years of carefully cultivating good will from your customers and the general public. That halo is DELICATE and needs to be respected and treated carefully. If that Disney halo that floats over it's logo dies?...so does the company. Period.

I have always loved this company and it kills me to see top management drive it straight into icebergs with no fear of what will happen.....The top of this company needs to change right now and steer this ship away from danger and back to open waters.

But sadly,...I suspect they will continue driving deeper into the iceberg field. Like the Titanic,...they just don't believe icebergs can sink them.
 
seabreezept813

seabreezept813

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James Alucobond said:
Cinderella already has a whole castle. The manor seems unnecessary when all it would really accomplish is giving Lady Tremaine, Anastasia, and Drizella a slightly more suitable home, but the proposed villain land could end up resolving that anyway.

Seven Dwarves Mine Train also doesn’t in and of itself prevent Snow White from having a nearby M&G. Having those two complementary offerings seems to work well enough with Under the Sea and Ariel’s Grotto. If anything, I think they should push farther in the direction of having attractions and restaurants for the characters so that they’re gaining both capacity and sensible attached locations for M&Gs rather than shoving them all into wastes of space like Fairytale Hall. If they’d converted Scary Adventure into a Sleeping Beauty attraction instead, Rapunzel would really be the only “homeless” official princess who makes regular appearances in the wild at MK once Bayou Adventure is complete. And I guess Merida now that she’s been evicted.
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Some of the less formal spaces end up being nice. We saw Merida and Peter Pan with no lines. And last year no one seemed to know that Belle was hanging out in enchanted tales.
 
No Name

No Name

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It’s frustrating that they seem interested in talking about improvements to every park except the one they kind of botched in the late 2010s, Hollywood Studios. Every standby line in the park is often 1 to 3 hours except for Star Tours. I can’t even imagine how bad it would’ve been if Galaxy’s Edge brought the attendance they’d hoped for. They spent all this money hoping they could sit on their laurels for the next 10 years but somehow didn’t do the math or didn’t care that it wouldn’t work.
 
aladdin2007

aladdin2007

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No Name said:
It’s frustrating that they seem interested in talking about improvements to every park except the one they kind of botched in the late 2010s, Hollywood Studios. Every standby line in the park is often 1 to 3 hours except for Star Tours. I can’t even imagine how bad it would’ve been if Galaxy’s Edge brought the attendance they’d hoped for. They spent all this money hoping they could sit on their laurels for the next 10 years but somehow didn’t do the math or didn’t care that it wouldn’t work.
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its called blue ocean...they knew. they want to operate as less as possible and cram everyone in to as few things as possible. thats just a part of blue ocean anyway. But I think that mentality is starting to change a bit, lets hope.
 
Rich Brownn

Rich Brownn

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Cliff said:
Disney has been blowing money like a drunken sailor all over the different areas of the company. Disney + has cost them billions upon billions with with not one cent of profit! There are shows that have cost three times the production costs that were actually necessary. And....many of them were just junk that didn't even look that they cost that much. Lucasfilm, Marvel and Pixar are failing badly. Linear TV is sinking fast too. The list goes on and on.

Some might say: "So what!...our parks are bulletproof and they will ALWAYS be there to bail Disney out of it's other losses...relax...no need to worry!!"

OK,...now the parks...the last great Disney defense wall...is now beginning to crack. Iger first blamed the parks attendance on Florida "summer heat" in a Sun Valley interview. Then he told investors last month, "no,....the slowness today is due to the incredible SUCCESS of last year's WDW 50th celebration" Yes,...Disney literally told this to investors on the live call. Can you believe that?

Every problem that Disney has today...and they have a LOT of them...can be traced to ONE thing....the extreme AROGANT culture in Disney executive boardroom and it's Board members. They have this "Titanic-style" mentality of:

"We are so big and strong that not even God can sink us....that's why we don't worry about icebergs!...full speed ahead!!"

Disney,...you are hitting icebergs left and right. You are taking on water! STOP!...and back out of that icefield that you are in...and LEARN TO BE HUMBLE! You are NOT as indestructible as you believe you are! Your Titanic ARROGANCE and utter HUBRIS are sinking the company.

It took 100 years to build that halo over your logo. Yes,...100 years of carefully cultivating good will from your customers and the general public. That halo is DELICATE and needs to be respected and treated carefully. If that Disney halo that floats over it's logo dies?...so does the company. Period.

I have always loved this company and it kills me to see top management drive it straight into icebergs with no fear of what will happen.....The top of this company needs to change right now and steer this ship away from danger and back to open waters.

But sadly,...I suspect they will continue driving deeper into the iceberg field. Like the Titanic,...they just don't believe icebergs can sink them.
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Parks, mechandise and real estate remain incredibly lucrative. In 2022 Disney profit was $23 billion, even with all the losses. Which makes the decision to let WDW basically rot when heavy duty competition is coming is puzzling
 
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fgmnt

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No Name said:
It’s frustrating that they seem interested in talking about improvements to every park except the one they kind of botched in the late 2010s, Hollywood Studios. Every standby line in the park is often 1 to 3 hours except for Star Tours. I can’t even imagine how bad it would’ve been if Galaxy’s Edge brought the attendance they’d hoped for. They spent all this money hoping they could sit on their laurels for the next 10 years but somehow didn’t do the math or didn’t care that it wouldn’t work.
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Some people in this board think that Burbank sees the DHS capacity crisis as a feature instead of a bug. I'm not exactly there but it's far from impossible.
 
No Name

No Name

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fgmnt said:
Some people in this board think that Burbank sees the DHS capacity crisis as a feature instead of a bug. I'm not exactly there but it's far from impossible.
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Yeah, I mean to that point, you can ride everything in Epcot without Genie+ by noon and then be kind of bored. With DHS I’m sure the average visitor is lucky if they’re able ride everything by the end of the day even with Genie+. Both are different problems, but one makes Disney more money, I guess.

aladdin2007 said:
its called blue ocean...they knew. they want to operate as less as possible and cram everyone in to as few things as possible. thats just a part of blue ocean anyway. But I think that mentality is starting to change a bit, let’s hope.
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I know a lot of what they’re doing is blue ocean driven, but I feel like the founding fathers of blue ocean strategy wouldn’t even approve of this tomfoolery.
 
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Splashin' Ryan

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SpectreJordan

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SplashZander said:
We’ve got concrete confirmation they’re building billion+ projects. We just know earlier than normal, and don’t know the plans. Normally plans just get designed all the time to see what sticks, but here there’s an expansion mandate and design is coming second. This is exciting, even if we don’t have details.

They could’ve said, “here’s blue sky in Hollywood Studios” or something else that’s crazy this year. But they didn’t. They doubled down on their large expansion plans. This is a win. South American continent plans look gorgeous
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Yeah, I think the Beyond Big Thunder & especially the South America expansions are happening. I just wish they'd confirm they 100% are & get started ASAP.
UNCgolf said:
That runs into the constant issue of how to actually put Coco there without having to do significant construction and overhauling part of the pavilion (to build the necessary queue space etc.). I believe Martin mentioned before that was part of the reason they backed off changing the Mexico ride to Coco.
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How much room is there in the backstage between Mexico & Norway? Maybe they can build out into that & give Mexico 2 rides?
Jae-J said:
Adding Disney Villians to any park would be a terrible decision.
Disney Villains should have their own park entirely.
They have enough characters & IP to do it correctly & compete with Universal's Epic Universe.
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I don't really think there's enough variety in Disney villains alone to support an entire park, no IP has that variety. Maaaybe if they included other IPs like Star Wars, Pixar, Marvel, Alien, etc... & had some original rides as well. But I think a sizeable land would be good enough for the core Disney villains.
 
aladdin2007

aladdin2007

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SpectreJordan said:
Yeah, I think the Beyond Big Thunder & especially the South America expansions are happening. I just wish they'd confirm they 100% are & get started ASAP.

How much room is there in the backstage between Mexico & Norway? Maybe they can build out into that & give Mexico 2 rides?

I don't really think there's enough variety in Disney villains alone to support an entire park, no IP has that variety. Maaaybe if they included other IPs like Star Wars, Pixar, Marvel, Alien, etc... & had some original rides as well. But I think a sizeable land would be good enough for the core Disney villains.
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They cant go back further really and they cant expand the Mexico building to the right (a, its san angels kitchen etc on the that side) (b, yes the Norway addition can go away) but required access roads between the pavilion pads.
 
Rosso11

Rosso11

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SpectreJordan said:
How much room is there in the backstage between Mexico & Norway? Maybe they can build out into that & give Mexico 2 rides?
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Yes there is plenty of room behind the Norway bathrooms and meet and greets for a Coco attraction. However, the Mexico pavilion itself could not handle another ride. It’s already very common to have lines to just enter the pavilion. The entrance would need to be outside to the right. It would require some adjustments but it can be done. I’m sure Disney is looking at this option. To me it makes the most sense.
 

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