News 'Beyond Big Thunder Mountain' Blue Sky concept revealed for Magic Kingdom

[dennis-in-ct]

Has Disney ever presented vague blue sky concepts as "announcements" like this before? This really smells of desperation.

Disney Forward I think is an example of that

 

[yensidtlaw1969]

IThere is quite a gap between 4 minutes and 8 minutes. That literally would double four minutes. Only one of those listed goes near 8 minutes is Mermaid. No major attractions have hit the 8 minutes running time for the ride. I am not saying it is what makes a good ride, but if you are expecting the 5-8 minute mark in most of these new attractions, you will be disappointed. I will say Rise is quite a multi part experience so obviously that is the major attraction example if you count the multi experience.

So what you're saying is you're choosing to miss my actual point.

Got it.

 

[SirLink]

Disney Forward I think is an example of that

Disneyland Forward plan though is completely different that is a project pitch to the Anaheim council to rezone the land they still hold and some guarantees about potential road changes.

The blue sky stuff is basically open focus group, after the poor guest satisfaction scores from New Fantasyland, Galaxy Edge, Toy Story Land ... they are trying to judge if they are on the right pathway. This is Snake Oil Josh and Carni Chris idea to pitch the Board on getting funds to develop whatever they are working on.

 

[Walt d]

Oof.

Im ready for villans land area. So was every one at d23!

 

[CastAStone]

Why in the world would you open a third domestics park location, with all the insanely expensive land acquisition and infrastructure work that would entail, only to canibalize your domestic market siphoning off guests from CA and Fla?

Because they wouldn’t cannibalize. They already get far, far more demand than they can handle. Rather than raising prices forever they can make more money if they create more supply.

I didn’t say it was logistically simple, I said it’s what they need to do.

 

[UNCgolf]

Because they wouldn’t cannibalize. They already get far, far more demand than they can handle. Rather than raising prices forever they can make more money if they create more supply.

I didn’t say it was logistically simple, I said it’s what they need to do.

Even if it wouldn't cannibalize (and that's arguable; I think it probably would -- it's not solely about attendance at the parks but about selling all the WDW resort rooms), the costs involved in building another resort would be astronomical. It would cost billions and billions of dollars.

Beyond that, they're already struggling to staff their existing properties. I think it's extremely unlikely Disney would even consider it.

 

[SNS]

Even if it wouldn't cannibalize (and that's arguable; I think it probably would -- it's not solely about attendance at the parks but about selling all the WDW resort rooms), the costs involved in building another resort would be astronomical. It would cost billions and billions of dollars.

Beyond that, they're already struggling to staff their existing properties. I think it's extremely unlikely Disney would even consider it.

It also might no longer be feasible to purchase the land in secret the way Walt did back in the 60's (so they don't get ripped off). Even if it's just a Disneyland size property. Could they even prevent something like that from leaking in the 2020's?

 

[RSoxNo1]

How long before Disney realizes that they're situating 3 minority inspired attractions together... in the back of the park... next to a land with slave owners?

 

[seabreezept813]

I’m not sure why villains wouldn’t go to HS… that park is aimed at an older audience

 

[RSoxNo1]

I know a lot of people feel the same way but it always makes me sad when I see this.

AE was amazing and a very different approach for Disney at the time. It was inventive, corny enough to be fun without being over the top, unique and perfect for the younger crowd who liked to be a little scared and that is something that is hard to find anywhere on property. In the end, putting in the "kiddie" park killed it long term. So many people that just ignored all of the warnings plastered all over and then complained.

SGE on the other hand... flaming dumpster fire of a ride.

I thought getting blood spatter on me was a bit over the top for MK.

I've asked the question before. Where would Alien Encounter fit if not Tomorrowland? Would it fit in Future World? MGM?

Personally, I think it could have worked in Future World which actually helps make a case for Guardians in EPCOT. The pretense for Xandar being there isn't far off from the XS Tech storyline.

 

[RSoxNo1]

Im not certain they would want to make it as popular as FoP. Do they want that many people spending two to three hours in a queue line? Maybe the build little LaCava stands in the queue.

Learn from the mistakes of FoP and add more capacity. It would also help putting it in a park that has more than 7 other rides.

 

[DCLcruiser]

How long before Disney realizes that they're situating 3 minority inspired attractions together... in the back of the park... next to a land with slave owners?

The entire park is next to a land with [former] slave owners.

Tiana will fix the current issue with Splash.

I don’t think the “back of the park” matters since that’s just where space is located. Making that an issue is just starting trouble that might not exist. Representation will be huge for those communities, and provide everyone else with more fun rides.

 

[Purduevian]

I’m not sure why villains wouldn’t go to HS… that park is aimed at an older audience

I actually think that's a problem. MK needs more thrill rides (I really want the old Geyser Mountain Beyond Big Thunder), and DHS needs more family attractions (updated toon town connecting MMRR to RNRC)

 

[Br0ckford]

How long before Disney realizes that they're situating 3 minority inspired attractions together... in the back of the park... next to a land with slave owners?

 

[CastAStone]

Even if it wouldn't cannibalize (and that's arguable; I think it probably would -- it's not solely about attendance at the parks but about selling all the WDW resort rooms), the costs involved in building another resort would be astronomical. It would cost billions and billions of dollars.

Beyond that, they're already struggling to staff their existing properties. I think it's extremely unlikely Disney would even consider it.

The whole point is to reduce the demand at MK/WDW so that prices can stabilize.

But I’m quite confident MK attendance wouldn’t change meaningfully, they just wouldn’t be able to raise prices quite as fast.

Yes it would be expensive but the company is overflowing with cash. They should be using it to grow revenue and more importantly their client base, not just profits. There’s 75% more Americans than there were in 1972. They should keep up.

And in any case, logistics are a different question than strategy. And what they should do is build another site.

 

[crazy4disney]

It's all about the money, its cheaper to clone FoP tech into a Coco ride than to develop something new.

Altho it is cheaper i agree but if you have a superior product already developed ie FoP why not use that tech for another ride? Now if you go and create 4-5 more rides like that yes Disney is lazy but to give us another ride based on that tech and maybe enhance it a little where im not on a “bike” possibly something closer to what im suppose to be flying on great. Maybe something else going on during the ride but an attraction like FoP is so good i dont mind them
Building a close for another attraction.

 

[Ghost93]

While Flight of Passage is my favorite ride at Disney World, I wouldn't want Disney to simply copy the ride with a different IP at each of its parks. It would make the experience less special.

 

[UNCgolf]

The whole point is to reduce the demand at MK/WDW so that prices can stabilize.

But I’m quite confident MK attendance wouldn’t change meaningfully, they just wouldn’t be able to raise prices quite as fast.

Yes it would be expensive but the company is overflowing with cash. They should be using it to grow revenue and more importantly their client base, not just profits. There’s 75% more Americans than there were in 1972. They should keep up.

And in any case, logistics are a different question than strategy. And what they should do is build another site.

I don't think Disney looks at the way you do. Why spend that money on real estate and a park with significant operating costs, land taxes, etc. when they can use it on Disney+ content?

I agree with you in a vacuum that it might be good, and probably would be good for park fans, but for Disney management it's a terrible short-term proposition due to the capital expenditures involved even if it's a potentially good long term one. That alone makes it unlikely to ever happen.

 

[GiveMeTheMusic]

Flying on alebrije doesn't necessarily mean Flight of Passage ride system. Big assumption to make!

 

[FettFan]

I've asked the question before. Where would Alien Encounter fit if not Tomorrowland? Would it fit in Future World? MGM?

Personally, I think it could have worked in Future World which actually helps make a case for Guardians in EPCOT. The pretense for Xandar being there isn't far off from the XS Tech storyline.

No. Alien Encounter would have been best placed in the Echo Lake/ABC Sound Studio area of DHS.

In fact, they *tried* to have their own binaural audio experience in the pitch dark with water splash effects…

It wasn’t good.