News 'Beyond Big Thunder Mountain' Blue Sky concept revealed for Magic Kingdom

[Bocabear]

Villains seems like something that excites “Disney adults” and a lot of superfans online. I don’t know how well that translates to regular guests and kids, in particular. Anecdotally, I think my kids would be scared at the prospect of it.

it excites more than adults... pre-teens and teens as well...also anyone that is not terrified of pirates or the Haunted mansion... toddlers and very young children might be scared now, but what will they be in 5 years when the land finally opens? I bet not scared.....and how scary do you honestly expect a Magic Kingdom land to be? This is Disney not Universal Halloween Horror Nights....if they are terrified they can go on one of the other attractions in the park...thing about kids is, they grow up....and what scared them one year, may not the next year... and they will be past the toddler stage for way longer than they are in it...

 

[easyrowrdw]

it excites more than adults... pre-teens and teens as well...also anyone that is not terrified of pirates or the Haunted mansion... toddlers and very young children might be scared now, but what will they be in 5 years when the land finally opens? I bet not scared.....and how scary do you honestly expect a Magic Kingdom land to be? This is Disney not Universal Halloween Horror Nights....if they are terrified they can go on one of the other attractions in the park...thing about kids is, they grow up....and what scared them one year, may not the next year... and they will be past the toddler stage for way longer than they are in it...

If Disney does it I would hope you’re correct. I don’t think they’d want to build an entire land (not just a ride) that is a turnoff for a large chunk of their guests. There are always more kids coming to replace those that age out. But by avoiding that would they then turn off the adults who seem most excited about the idea? Seems like a tricky balance.

I’m just now back reading these boards after a long time. It’s not clear to me what the status of this stuff is. Some posts make it sound like it’s happening while others like it’s dead.

 

[Bocabear]

If Disney does it I would hope you’re correct. I don’t think they’d want to build an entire land (not just a ride) that is a turnoff for a large chunk of their guests. There are always more kids coming to replace those that age out. But by avoiding that would they then turn off the adults who seem most excited about the idea? Seems like a tricky balance.

I’m just now back reading these boards after a long time. It’s not clear to me what the status of this stuff is. Some posts make it sound like it’s happening while others like it’s dead.

I am sure any Villains land or attraction would be handled in a family-friendly and fun kind of way. Disney villains ( most of them) are vibrant and often silly caricatures... Vibrant, colorful and quirky... There is no reason to think they would handle them any other way... Like I said, it's not Halloween Horror Nights... And having a villain section that some of the tiniest kids might be a little afraid of makes it one of those milestone moments...when they are finally old enough to not be afraid and then realize it was all fun and a little silly...as the Disney Villains tend to be...

 

[wedenterprises]

Whatever is next to Villians needs to be colorful (of course with a transition that is done correctly between the Villians land and whatever is going next to it to prevent sightline and anything from that area being visible from either side). I'm assuming we are saying this based off the idea that we associate the theme Villians with darker color palettes.

Hoping we don't go down this path in terms of lighting again. It wouldn't contrast Villians enough. I'm not hating it, it's cool, but it's starting to become a little repetitive:

That's LED lighting for you.

 

[TheRealSkull]

That's LED lighting for you.

Funny enough, LEDs don't have to be limited to just the cool colors = blues, greens, purples. You can do so much beyond those with LEDs.

I know this, as I am a lighting designer for theatrical shows.

 

[Rich Brownn]

The TTC parking lot is huge, they could totally built Lawrence of Arabia land there. Complete with majestic vistas. Or more likely 20,000 DVC studios.

At one time, that was to be the home of World Showcase (the parking and entrance to WDW would have been the Future World Theme Center located all the way down by 192 and connected by elevated rail and people movers)

 

[Rhinocerous]

Funny enough, LEDs don't have to be limited to just the cool colors = blues, greens, purples. You can do so much beyond those with LEDs.

I know this, as I am a lighting designer for theatrical shows.

Can confirm. I once lit a screening of a popular television show involving dragons. The walls roiled in shades of red, yellow and orange. It looked pretty great, if I am permitted to say so.

 

[Bocabear]

Can confirm. I once lit a screening of a popular television show involving dragons. The walls roiled in shades of red, yellow and orange. It looked pretty great, if I am permitted to say so.

For so long people were just so impressed RGBW LED Lights could do full spectrum...causing them to use "rainbow" on everything... I am glad the newness has worn off and designers are using them in more restrained ways.... They are an amazing component to work with...

 

[wedenterprises]

Funny enough, LEDs don't have to be limited to just the cool colors = blues, greens, purples. You can do so much beyond those with LEDs.

I know this, as I am a lighting designer for theatrical shows.

I was a lighting designer in my previous career. I understand their pros and cons. They can be very dominating over the surface colour. I find their use generally overbearing in brightness and oversaturated in color, boring in their wash and lack of shadows, and very hard on the eyes.

Part of the reason for this is in their application. Disney loves to use them as floodlights and/or use them as if they're painting a surface. The trees at TBA are practically glowing blue and purple like Avatar. It's super unnatural.
The result, at least in outdoor applications, is you end up with the attractions I replied to which all look the same to me. Blasted with purple and blue glowing light. Maybe I'm alone but I think Disney takes away from the magic of the "place" often purely due to their use (or mis-use of LEDs).

Maybe part of my disdain is just the colors they use. lol. Not everything warrants color being blasted at it.

I'm not saying LED=bad. But I know poor lighting when I see it, as I'm sure you do too.

 

[TheRealSkull]

I was a lighting designer in my previous career. I understand their pros and cons. They can be very dominating over the surface colour. I find their use generally overbearing in brightness and oversaturated in color, boring in their wash and lack of shadows, and very hard on the eyes.

Part of the reason for this is in their application. Disney loves to use them as floodlights and/or use them as if they're painting a surface. The trees at TBA are practically glowing blue and purple like Avatar. It's super unnatural.
The result, at least in outdoor applications, is you end up with the attractions I replied to which all look the same to me. Blasted with purple and blue glowing light. Maybe I'm alone but I think Disney takes away from the magic of the "place" often purely due to their use (or mis-use of LEDs).

Maybe part of my disdain is just the colors they use. lol. Not everything warrants color being blasted at it.

I'm not saying LED=bad. But I know poor lighting when I see it, as I'm sure you do too.

100% agree with you right here! You are not alone in thinking that. They haven't done a terrible job, but it could be better.

 

[Bocabear]

and with current RGBW technology you can have blue light without it being BLUE light...the colors don't have to be super intense and eye-numbing... There is a lot to be said for subtle lighting.... lol

 

[DCLcruiser]

I am sure any Villains land or attraction would be handled in a family-friendly and fun kind of way. Disney villains ( most of them) are vibrant and often silly caricatures... Vibrant, colorful and quirky... There is no reason to think they would handle them any other way... Like I said, it's not Halloween Horror Nights... And having a villain section that some of the tiniest kids might be a little afraid of makes it one of those milestone moments...when they are finally old enough to not be afraid and then realize it was all fun and a little silly...as the Disney Villains tend to be...

+1. Don't forget how many Villain's-point-of-view movies have come out.

Villain's land can be ominous, but friendly, in a medieval sort of way.

 

[Bocabear]

Ominous, but then oddly friendly and humorous.... Look at what the walk around Wicked Queen is doing in Disneyland... She is hysterical... THAT is how you do the Disney Villains!

 

[SilentWindODoom]

I wonder if the success or failure of the continuation of the Descendants series this summer will play into how they present the land or even how strongly they go for it. I still see them pushing the IP at Halloween, but dunno how strong it is among their portfolio.

 

[Bill Cipher]

Nope. #notmyMickey

Walt after seeing the new Mickey Mouse cartoons:
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"WHAT THE HELL HAVE YOU DONE TO MY MOUSE?"

And after realizing they replaced the Great Movie Ride:
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"YOU GOT RID OF THE WIZARD OF OZ MUNCHKINLAND RECREATION FOR THIS NIGHTMARE?!"

Maybe a hot take but I'm of the mind that Walt would absolutely adore the Paul Rudish Mickey shorts. He was a cartoonist through and through, and Mickey was "assigned to the purposes of laughter." The Rudish shorts are the funniest the character has been in decades and the project most similar to Walt's shorts since their inception. It had been so long since the icon of the company felt like an actual mischievous character instead of some sanitized corporate mascot.

Disney TVA is the most overlooked sector of the company by a longshot, and the creatives there are truly talented and capable of producing some really compelling projects. Especially compared to the dumpster fire of the various film studios' string of box office bombs.

 

[DCLcruiser]

Maybe a hot take but I'm of the mind that Walt would absolutely adore the Paul Rudish Mickey shorts. He was a cartoonist through and through, and Mickey was "assigned to the purposes of laughter." The Rudish shorts are the funniest the character has been in decades and the project most similar to Walt's shorts since their inception. It had been so long since the icon of the company felt like an actual mischievous character instead of some sanitized corporate mascot.

Disney TVA is the most overlooked sector of the company by a longshot, and the creatives there are truly talented and capable of producing some really compelling projects. Especially compared to the dumpster fire of the various film studios' string of box office bombs.

They use grotesque physical comedy like an episode of The Ren & Stimpy Show. It's terrible.

 

[SilentWindODoom]

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Excellent..

Well, crap. Now I want a "Disney Channel Cartoons That Start Cheery And End With Earth-Shattering Consequences" land. Oregan would complete the travel westward around the Rivers of America and give a good forest transition to Villains Land. Just saying.

 

[Purduevian]

They use grotesque physical comedy like an episode of The Ren & Stimpy Show. It's terrible.

I like them...

 

[EricsBiscuit]

I hope Charita Carter and Carmen Smith are far away from this project.

 

[Surferboy567]

Mickey Views has released another video today and has said the following. Please keep in mind that Brayden is a dubious source and has a spotty record to say the least. The reason why I am posting is that he has proven to have gotten things right in the past with that disclaimer out of the way here goes:

Brayden has once again doubled down on the Radiator Springs Racers rumor coming to Magic Kingdom as apart of Beyond Big Thunder Mountain. In the first episode of the we call it imagineering series a Radiator Springs Racers model is shown. He alleges this model is actually for Magic Kingdom.

This is his exact quote..."It's a model of Radiator Springs Racers with the same basic track confurgiration as the one out in Disney California Adventure but the rockwork has been inverted. It has been flipped around and the rockwork along the back part looks like it has been value engineered down where it no longer has the big 50's car fins".

Of course, this could mean nothing but it's worth mentioning.