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Ichabod Crane

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DisneyDodo said:
Another option they could go (though I’m not suggesting they will) would be to expand the scope of the villains land to be a general spooky land and include this ride there. Or even keep it as villains land and heavily feature de la Cruz in the ride.
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I’ve been thinking this is the route they should go for awhile now. It makes it easier to include some IP’s like Nightmare Before Christmas that would pull more families in than a villains specific area would .
 
Ghost93

Ghost93

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DisneyDodo said:
If they’re going to shorten RoA, this could be quite a number of years away (which also gives them extra time to change their minds). If they keep RoA as is OTOH, they’ll have less room to work with and the land will be less ambitious. So pick your poison 🤣
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I prefer shortening RoA if it meant more for a villain land. ROA is aesthetically pleasing, but I'd gladly give up Tom Sawyer's Island and part of the boat ride (or all of the boat ride) in favor of more actual attractions. Tom Sawyer's Island had a good run, but I think there's potential for better things to replace it.
 
Teddybearre

Teddybearre

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HauntedPirate said:
Any “Villains Land” at MK is a great way to ensure a sizable portion of guests don’t set foot in it. I’m sorry but Villains is quite niche and not appealing to families with younger children.
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Honestly I think that would actually be a good thing. It would help Magic Kingdom stray away from the “Magic Kindergarten” nickname and give something for older audiences to do, while still keeping in theme with the rest of the park
 
Ghost93

Ghost93

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HauntedPirate said:
Any “Villains Land” at MK is a great way to ensure a sizable portion of guests don’t set foot in it. I’m sorry but Villains is quite niche and not appealing to families with younger children.
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A villains land is something I and many of my friends have wanted since we were children. And if people don't like villains, there is the entire rest of the park!
 
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James Alucobond

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DisneyDodo said:
Splash at least took place in North America, and they took steps to “westernify” it, even if the source material was technically set in Georgia.

That’s not the same as a fantastical Land of the Dead, located in a completely different realm that living people (generally) can’t access. That concept has 0 connection to Frontierland. The original concept art (which, btw, was for a separate land adjacent to FL and not an extension to FL) at least had some chemistry with its neighbor in the form of the Santa Cecilia plaza. That area is being recreated in DAK. They’re not building it twice.

So the suggestion here is that they ripped out the thing that connected this area to FL only to integrate the rest of the land into FL itself?
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There are a lot of things to address here.
  1. Where did the assumption that this was ever separate from Frontierland come from? The original presentation never specified if the proposed Encanto/Coco area was meant to be an extension or a miniland, as you suggest.
  2. The Land of the Dead wouldn't be the facade. You would presumably still have southwestern and south-of-the-border placemaking with a more accurate facsimile of Ernesto's mausoleum and the surrounding graveyard set around the attraction entrance.
  3. I still don't get where you're getting the idea that they're "ripping out" the plaza area? Did someone else suggest that in a comment I missed? I didn't suggest it. I agree that it should be there in order to facilitate a graceful transition.
  4. Your assertion about them "not building it twice" is based on a faulty premise. They are not building Santa Cecilia in Animal Kingdom. Santa Cecilia is a prototypical north-central Mexican town. The AK Americas village is, by contrast, tropical, with influences from the Yucatán, central America, and northern South America.
 
SirLink

SirLink

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HauntedPirate said:
Any “Villains Land” at MK is a great way to ensure a sizable portion of guests don’t set foot in it. I’m sorry but Villains is quite niche and not appealing to families with younger children.
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A bit like the parents who rushed guest services at MK to complain about the concrete peanuts in the ground at Storybook Circus could set of little Johnny's nut allergy. If you have a young child and think its too 'dark' to take them to then guess what don't take them.

I'm sorry but not everything in Disney should be designed to placate young children. More people will enter a Villains land than will not.
 
UNCgolf

UNCgolf

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PREMiERdrum said:
The actual "Coco" content in the Coco carousel at AK is minimal... from what I can tell it's a nice blend, and in no way compromises what is likely to come in the MK expansion.
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Zummi Gummi said:
I don't know that I'd call a carousel (and maybe a gift shop?) an area, but I guess we'll have to wait and see.
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It's not just the carousel -- it's the whole design of the land around the carousel.

While the design is Spanish colonial in general and thus doesn't have to relate to Coco specifically, I'm concerned we are going to end up with very similar areas at both the MK and DAK.

They could just build a Coco E-ticket at the MK with a single facade and not a Mexican inspired land around it, though.
 
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Disney Analyst

Disney Analyst

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HauntedPirate said:
Not at all. They aren't dropping an entire new land of roller coasters in a park.
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The point is, the parks always have a variety of offerings that allow engagement for various levels.

A park should offer more grown up experiences. It makes your kids wants to come back and conquer their fears, and gives older kids, teens, and adults more offerings.

It builds a well rounded experience, with something for everyone.
 
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doctornick

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HauntedPirate said:
Any “Villains Land” at MK is a great way to ensure a sizable portion of guests don’t set foot in it. I’m sorry but Villains is quite niche and not appealing to families with younger children.
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I'm not really sure that broad statement is really true. Especially when stuff like Descendants has been show to be popular with the younger set. Surely, there will be some young children that wouldn't be interested but as long as the execution is "spooky" more than "frightening", it would be fine.

FWIW, my children all love playing Villainous including my youngest who has been playing since age 7 or 8 or so.
 
Disstevefan1

Disstevefan1

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Disney Analyst said:
Not to pile on, but…

This is kinda like saying not everyone will want to ride a rollercoaster, therefore there should be no rollercoasters.
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A fifth gate should be a villains park, which is a coaster park, full of high quality Disney themed off the shelf coasters!!

The tweens, teens and adults would love it!!

I know, I know, IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN! But a person can dream.
 
Teddybearre

Teddybearre

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HauntedPirate said:
Any “Villains Land” at MK is a great way to ensure a sizable portion of guests don’t set foot in it. I’m sorry but Villains is quite niche and not appealing to families with younger children.
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I have no idea if you have kids or anything, but I know when me and my sister were little, we would’ve loved a Villains land. If anyone in my family would be too scared to enter a Villains land, it would be my parents LOL
 
MisterPenguin

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
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EPCOT-O.G. said:
You can solve that problem by getting rid of Odyssey
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Teddybearre said:
My issue is not that Coco itself is in two parks, but it’s just that Tropical America’s is looking to be heavily Mexican influenced, and I would expect New Frontierland to be super Mexican influenced as well. I’m worried it’ll feel like they built the same land in two parks
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Let Odyssey become an extension of all things Latin America and a perpetual fiesta. Then you can conjigger a queue big enough for a Three Caballeros retheme of the Mexico ride.
 
GhostHost1000

GhostHost1000

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PREMiERdrum said:
It's interesting to learn what other insiders are hearing compared to myself... some matching exactly and some 180 degrees different. It's obvious the internal jockeying is in full swing.

In any event, what I hear as the current state of things:

MK-
Moana on AL expansion pad
Offstage facility relocation
Coco and expanded Frontierland in the BBTM area
Early design work for Dark Kingdom as a BBTM phase two. This is where I'm skeptical.

AK-
Tropical Americas makeover of Dinoland just about exactly as we know it.
Lion King boat ride dupe and/or Pandora attraction #3. Plan on one of these, at best.

DHS-
"Beyond Animation Courtyard" project. Several properties being considered AFAIK.
I think this is ultimately where Dark Kingdom could end up, but I very well could be wrong.

EPCOT-
Hopefully the return of the Coastal Eats booth, but nothing else.
Absolutely nothing beyond new TT.
Really, not even for WOL.
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A redo of the entire figment ride within the imagination pavilion would be a nice thing as well as anything in WOL
 

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