Bad news from our friends at MiceAge...

Gabe1

Ivory Tower Squabble EST 2011. WINDMILL SURVIVOR
Well, I'm starting to think that I could finish the mine train. With all my training in, umm, construction stuff, where you use those uh...hammers right? It can't be this hard.
Do it. I'm sick of looking at construction walls.

Like Dick Nunis said to Iger, 'he would have had it done already, I built plenty of those' and that was a year ago.
 

rct247

Well-Known Member
I'm really starting to become jaded about WDW. It's a hot mess these days. First of all, it draws so many tourists from all over the world, but at WDW it's all about money and efficiency. How can we cut costs to maximize profits? How can we be more efficient to get more bodies through the doors? It's all too predictable. WDW is marketed as a mecca, a right of passage, beyond magical, and practically perfect in every way, when in reality it is falling apart, stale, predictable, and a grab at the wallet. WDW as a whole is somewhat of a money pit. There are plenty of profits to milk from it, but the company does have to also worry about funding the Reedy Creek Improvement District side of WDW with roads, infrastructure, buildings, and utilities. WDW almost always is the one that suffers from a budget cuts or cancelled projects. Quality in the parks has gone down hill, but so has the average Disney guest. Disney guests are also more rude and greedy always trying to find ways to cheat the system, yet are suckers to Disney's merchandise mania. WDW is playing catch up, yet digging their hole deeper and deeper. Attendance keeps going up and the parks are busier than ever, but TDO is trying fix issues with capacity by larger paths, restrooms, more room in places, yet new rides and new shows are not part of the plan. It just feel like a big trap. TDO needs to refocus itself. You have to have the budget to maintain what you have and you need to add attractions in a timely manner to draw people to something new. All the while, you can still make improvements to infrastructure and capacity. You can also refocus on the little things like merchandise unique and themed to specific locations, better quality of food, and even painting the resort in a normal light not the perfect fake vacation that people expect and are disappointed when it doesn't materialize.

That's my rant of me talking in circles.

I believe MiceAge. DHS plans probably fell through, but at least Osborne Lights will return another year. MM+ is costing too much money. MSEP will probably be shipped back to Disneyland and in horrible shape. FoF will probably run during the day twice and fireworks at night with no nighttime parade. Avatar will continue, won't truley become a classic and will take it's sweet time.
 

Gabe1

Ivory Tower Squabble EST 2011. WINDMILL SURVIVOR
If that's what gets people to WDW they'll take it i'm sure. Magic Bands aren't supposed to be a draw. They are supposed to be what separates money from your pocket (magic band) in a multitude of ways once you get on property.

Yes bands were to be a draw along with MME. Remember Disney told us this is what we guests wanted when surveyed. We wanted to plan so we wouldn't be stressed. Disney said so, so it must be true. :rolleyes:
 

Next Big Thing

Well-Known Member
Yes bands were to be a draw along with MME. Remember Disney told us this is what we guests wanted when surveyed. We wanted to plan so we wouldn't be stressed. Disney said so, so it must be true. :rolleyes:
What they say when they are trying to make something sound tasty is one thing. What something actually is is another. The bands are not a draw. But there are a lot of ways that they can siphon a lot of money from you through those bands if you aren't careful. It seemed very noticeable in ways they were trying to make/save money with this whole MM+ thing.
 

Longhairbear

Well-Known Member
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That's my rant of me talking in circles.

I believe MiceAge. DHS plans probably fell through, but at least Osborne Lights will return another year. MM+ is costing too much money. MSEP will probably be shipped back to Disneyland and in horrible shape. FoF will probably run during the day twice and fireworks at night with no nighttime parade. Avatar will continue, won't truley become a classic and will take it's sweet time.
I believe MiceAge as well, and here's one reason. There was a bloodbath at Imagineering before Christmas, and many people lost their jobs. Finger pointing over MM+, and I quote MiceAge from a comment made by Dusty Sage in an earlier, completely different post, "Tongues are wagging...". I think MiceAge got a huge insiders look from many that did not survive the bloodbath, and reporting what they've heard.
 

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
. Uni could build 2 new parks in the next 5 years and still not come close to taking the throne from Disney..
Only an idiot would think that possible.

What does have people in the company worried is people spending less time in WDW and more time elsewhere. No tourist in their right mind would spend 10 days at Uni and none at Disney. But they may spend 6 days at Disney instead of 10. That's hit the mark. But there's so many incompetent and arrogant levels of red tape they can't agree what to do and when. Plus there are some that still don't think they need to anything.
 

TP2000

Well-Known Member
What does have people in the company worried is people spending less time in WDW and more time elsewhere. No tourist in their right mind would spend 10 days at Uni and none at Disney. But they may spend 6 days at Disney instead of 10. That's hit the mark. But there's so many incompetent and arrogant levels of red tape they can't agree what to do and when. Plus there are some that still don't think they need to anything.

That's fascinating. And terrifying.
 

TP2000

Well-Known Member
I believe MiceAge as well, and here's one reason. There was a bloodbath at Imagineering before Christmas, and many people lost their jobs. Finger pointing over MM+, and I quote MiceAge from a comment made by Dusty Sage in an earlier, completely different post, "Tongues are wagging...". I think MiceAge got a huge insiders look from many that did not survive the bloodbath, and reporting what they've heard.

A really interesting point there! Miceage editors quite clearly have an inside track on what's going on in the halls of WDI there in Glendale. That's something most East Coast fans focused on WDW just can't appreciate, if they could even find Glendale and Flower Street on a map.
 

Beholder

Well-Known Member
I'm late to this party, but this seems to be the routine. Big news, speculation, nothing official, bad news, end of "dream". Perhaps because we have such instant and so much information, we tend to cling to every story (I'm guilty!) in the hopes that THIS story is for real this time, THIS is going to be the game changer we've been waiting for. Many of of us believe what Disney needs, we know based on its history, it's legacy, it's failures and accomplishments what works for Disney. We're invested beyond the typical TDO robot. I really do love and care about Walts vision and the way it's being handled. It may be naive, but it's the way I like to think of it. When "bad" news like this follows on the tail of something so potentially good, it just feels like another kick in the gut.
 

FutureWorld1982

Well-Known Member
Risk? LOL what risk? Since when was walking through a ride dangerous or was considered backstage? Maybe I'm missing something.

We did cycle out the ride and clear the queue. I should have been more correct, but even if we didn't, there's no danger.

Sorry for responding so late to this message, but I just consider walking through the track dangerous in itself. It is not a designated Guest walking area in first place, and requires the Cast Members to RAC out for safety, especially since there are moving parts. Also, in many of the rides, the floor may be uneven, narrow, etc. That said, it looks like you did cycle out. :-)
 

SJN1279

Well-Known Member
A really interesting point there! Miceage editors quite clearly have an inside track on what's going on in the halls of WDI there in Glendale. That's something most East Coast fans focused on WDW just can't appreciate, if they could even find Glendale and Flower Street on a map.
Yet, Miceage hasn't accurately predicted a new attraction in over 6 years. Al Lutz left because his Disney leak moved to Orlando, and now the website seems to be looking for website hits by posting rumors as fact.
 

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