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Avengers Campus - Reactions / Reviews

dovetail65

Active Member
And now for the land, I'm going to start with a quote from my friend: "Star Wars Land looks way better."

I should note that my friend does not care for Star Wars (I don't think she's seen most of the movies) but is a big fan of the MCU, and that was her main takeaway. And I agree with her - Avengers Campus absolutely suffers in comparison to Galaxy's Edge. Say what you will about the choice to place the land on a new planet rather than a known location like Tatooine or Naboo, but at least they establish a sense of place for the land, and the level of detail put into everything honestly places the land into the grand tradition of great Disney lands. Avengers Campus....does not have that. It is more in the grand tradition of Pixar Pier, with buildings just slapped together without rhyme or reason. It really did remind me of the terrible "neighborhoods" concept Pixar Pier uses, in that this is the Spider-Man area, this is the Ant-Man area, this is for the Guardians, etc. There's a huge lack of cohesion in everything going on here that is to the detriment of the land.

I should add on top here that the setting and buildings are boring to look at. Again, to compare this to Galaxy's Edge, there is no wow moment like rounding the corner and seeing the Falcon, and there's not even a lived-in moment like walking down the bazaar or the transition to the outskirts of the town where the Resistance is. Avengers Campus is just a bunch of square buildings with little to differentiate them beyond some signage. It's night and day stuff, and creates a land that my group was very excited to leave.

I mentioned it in the Spider-Man ride review, but the characters are the clear best part of this land, and the sheer volume of characters available to interact with is the biggest selling point here. Like I've mentioned before, some of the costumes were really good, the Iron Man one was bad enough that I wondered why they even bothered to go with a setting where he's still theoretically alive, and everyone did a good job embodying their characters. My one detracting point is that the shows just grind the land to a halt, and they clearly have not figured out a way to run those shows yet while also moving people through the land in a good way.

Pyms.....Pym's was the biggest disappointment for us as a group. I mentioned earlier that mobile order is a train wreck in its current form, but the food and drinks left a lot to be desired as well. We got all three of the cocktails to try, with the X-Periment being fine if not extremely sweet with no kick despite saying it has habanero syrup, the Particle Fizz being an absolutely-terrible attempt at a hard seltzer, and the Honey Buzz being the clear best option and one I would actually consider ordering in the future. The food was ok as well; I had the PB3 which was the best of the group though messy enough that I'd hesitate ordering it again, one of our group had the Pym-ini which he described as a "poor attempt at a muffaleta" and with a single serving that was half of what I got with my sandwich. Another of the group got the Atomic Fusion Pretzel, of which the buffalo sauce was the clear best part of a disappointing dish.

Here's my overall takeaway: this land is disappointing in a bunch of various ways that are much harder to fix than what we got from Galaxy's Edge. At least with that land, there were solid bones that just needed a few additions (the opening of RotR, a larger restaurant/cantina, entertainment) to really shine as an exceptional land, but having a generally-strong underbelly to work with. Avengers Campus....doesn't really have that. It's a bland land that is carried by the sheer volume of characters, which means that when Disney eventually decides to cut the entertainment budget here, you're just left with a boring, bland land with not much going for it. This isn't even a situation where a rumored Avengers E-ticket would fix things, but merely act as a band-aid. For as much money as Marvel brings into the company, for them to trot out an offering that is barely at the same level of what Universal made over 20 years ago is embarrassing for all parties.
Do you think your assessment would apply to the kids the parents bring?

I am just wondering as I lam let down by your assessment. Your thoughts don't make me want to go to Anaheim just to see this land as I initially wanted to.

It is pretty much known that Disneyland is not like WDW and far more locals go simply because of the shear population in CA around Disneyland than near WDW in FL.

Seeing how many more locals treat Disneyland like a day trip as one would going to a Six-flags outing than a once in a lifetime trip, do you think that effected how Disney approached this land? Possibly weighing the cost of infrastructure to implement your thoughts of how to make it better just wasn't worth the outlay because of their demographics ?

In other words, was it a miss or did they consciously make this land the way it is because they didn't think making it any better would make them any more money.

New things stay popular for a year, great things keep people coming for years while still bringing in new people for years as well. Is this a new thing or a great thing?
 

Nirya

Well-Known Member
Do you think your assessment would apply to the kids the parents bring?

I am just wondering as I lam let down by your assessment. Your thoughts don't make me want to go to Anaheim just to see this land as I initially wanted to.

It is pretty much known that Disneyland is not like WDW and far more locals go simply because of the shear population in CA around Disneyland than near WDW in FL.

Seeing how many more locals treat Disneyland like a day trip as one would going to a Six-flags outing than a once in a lifetime trip, do you think that effected how Disney approached this land? Possibly weighing the cost of infrastructure to implement your thoughts of how to make it better just wasn't worth the outlay because of their demographics ?

In other words, was it a miss or did they consciously make this land the way it is because they didn't think making it any better would make them any more money.

New things stay popular for a year, great things keep people coming for years while still bringing in new people for years as well. Is this a new thing or a great thing?

To answer your questions, no I don't think this was a conscious decision to design the land in this way just because of the local/tourist dynamic at Disneyland, simply because they are designing similar lands for two other parks that don't have those same dynamics. I think this is just how they chose to approach a Marvel area.

I don't think my assessment would apply to the kids viewing the area, but frankly that should be unsurprising. Theme parks in general work for kids, but one of the driving ideas behind the initial creation of Disneyland was that it would be a park that would work for both parents and kids. Avengers Campus does not truly work for parents, but it'll work for kids just fine.

And finally, I think this is more of a new thing than a great thing. Especially if Disney starts making cuts, which will target the thing the land does well first.
 

dovetail65

Active Member
To answer your questions, no I don't think this was a conscious decision to design the land in this way just because of the local/tourist dynamic at Disneyland, simply because they are designing similar lands for two other parks that don't have those same dynamics. I think this is just how they chose to approach a Marvel area.

I don't think my assessment would apply to the kids viewing the area, but frankly that should be unsurprising. Theme parks in general work for kids, but one of the driving ideas behind the initial creation of Disneyland was that it would be a park that would work for both parents and kids. Avengers Campus does not truly work for parents, but it'll work for kids just fine.

And finally, I think this is more of a new thing than a great thing. Especially if Disney starts making cuts, which will target the thing the land does well first.
Well I guess I need see it for myself, but it won't be anytime soon.
 

CaptinEO

Well-Known Member
Based on my experience at Pym’s today, I would say mobile order doesn’t actually do a good job at reducing congestion, and doesn’t realistically save them a ton of money with how the system is currently implemented. It’s just Fastpass for food atm.
The problem is Disney should give you a pickup time and your food should be bagged up and ready at that time.

The silly "come here at this time and then tell us you're here and we'll start to make it" system is dumb.

Can you imagine if a restaraunt did this? Makes no sense. Let me show up when its ready, why waste the customer's time?
 

Nirya

Well-Known Member
The problem is Disney should give you a pickup time and your food should be bagged up and ready at that time.

The silly "come here at this time and then tell us you're here and we'll start to make it" system is dumb.

Can you imagine if a restaraunt did this? Makes no sense. Let me show up when its ready, why waste the customer's time?

It doesn’t even work that way, because you hit the button and say you’re here, and then they don’t start putting together your order until you reach the counter, and even then if you ordered something they don’t batch-make, then you’re stuck waiting.
 

CaptinEO

Well-Known Member
It doesn’t even work that way, because you hit the button and say you’re here, and then they don’t start putting together your order until you reach the counter, and even then if you ordered something they don’t batch-make, then you’re stuck waiting.
That's exactly what I mean.

It should be like any normal restaruant, the time to pick it up should be when its ready. It should be on the counter ready to grab.

The system they designed makes no sense to me.
 

dovetail65

Active Member
It doesn’t even work that way, because you hit the button and say you’re here, and then they don’t start putting together your order until you reach the counter, and even then if you ordered something they don’t batch-make, then you’re stuck waiting.
Wait is that just at that one place, just at Disneyland, just at the places within a park at WDW. I have used it at WDW at Caribbean Beach Resort I arrived at the counter they handed me my order.

I use the app and click order, then later click" I'm Here, Prepare My Order" when I am a certain distance away. By the time I was at counter I picked order right up.

Is it that at some locations you can't click the " I'm Here, Prepare My Order" when you are too far away because the app knows your location or are you guys not clicking I'm Here, Prepare My Order" until you are actually there by choice? If you wait until you are there then yeah, they don't start making it until you are there. At least that's how the app worked a few weeks ago.

Has anyone been denied being able to click the "prepare I am here" when they were too far a distance away from the pick up location? I was warned that might happen to me but, it didn't happen. I use a VPN on my phone, maybe that's how I got away with it?
 
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Nirya

Well-Known Member
Wait is that just at that one place, just at Disneyland, just at the places within a park at WDW. I have used it at WDW at Caribbean Beach Resort I arrived at the counter they handed me my order.

I use the app and click " I'm Here, Prepare My Order" when I am a certain distance away. By the time I was at counter I picked order right up.

Is it that at some locations you cant click the prepare my order when you are far enough away or are you guys not clickking that unitl you are actually there by choice?

It’s the same at other locations as well when we use it. Depending on what you ordered, it can be pretty quick, just because they batch-make a ton of stuff and have them sitting around. Like, we went to Stagedoor that afternoon to get some corn dogs, and we picked up quickly, but these corn dogs were soggy because they’d been sitting in their own grease too long.

Edit: and yeah, you can click “I’m here”, but the system basically puts you in a virtual queue that eventually leads to an actual queue once “Order is ready” pops up. It is an incredibly dumb system in its current state.
 

dovetail65

Active Member
It’s the same at other locations as well when we use it. Depending on what you ordered, it can be pretty quick, just because they batch-make a ton of stuff and have them sitting around. Like, we went to Stagedoor that afternoon to get some corn dogs, and we picked up quickly, but these corn dogs were soggy because they’d been sitting in their own grease too long.

Edit: and yeah, you can click “I’m here”, but the system basically puts you in a virtual queue that eventually leads to an actual queue once “Order is ready” pops up. It is an incredibly dumb system in its current state.
I only used it once and it worked. The reason I used it was only to gain access to Caribbean Beach resort with a Lyft during Covid. They let me in the resort because I had an order, then I proceed to the park using the Skyliner from there. I guess now with far fewer restrictions something like that just isn't necessary.
 

Rich Brownn

Well-Known Member
I don’t know? That’s part of my frustration. Obviously the show is still going so things may be explained better as time goes on but my basic understanding is that when the Avengers pulled their time heists, they created branching timelines at each of these moments. That makes sense in my mind and at the end we’re shown that Cap stayed in one where he married Peggy but then hopped back in his old age using the last of the Pym Particles to pass on the shield (presumably after Peggy dies).

But then the Loki show comes along and claims that they won’t allow even the smallest deviation from the sacred timeline to occur. If you’re late for work and that causes trouble, that leads to a hard reset of that timeline to remove the mistake. I realize what the Avengers did was “supposed” to happen but that doesn’t explain away why the TVA allowed Cap to live in his own, separate one when their first goal is to ensure that there’s only the one. So, the show claims there can only be one.. unless it’s ordained for there to be more? In which case, goal one makes no sense? We also don’t see these alternate ones on their monitors. So, maybe they allow certain ones that are “close enough” to exist, unedited? It just feels like a mess.

But I’d imagine that major changes like a lack of Blip in Avengers Campus would be addressed by them. I agree that the show will do away with the neat and tidy format and branch off into insanity (heck, it already has), but if so, then the TVA will likely ultimately fail their supposed purpose which doesn’t explain them hanging still around Avengers Campus with a captured Loki (aside from the obvious, promotion synergy stuff).
The Avengers didn't create timelines because they put the stones back at the exact moment it was taken. There's also the theory that Cap simply stayed in the shadows because he knew not to disrupt the timeline. In that case Cap was always there in the time line in both forms.
 

DavidDL

Well-Known Member
The Avengers didn't create timelines because they put the stones back at the exact moment it was taken. There's also the theory that Cap simply stayed in the shadows because he knew not to disrupt the timeline. In that case Cap was always there in the time line in both forms.

The directors of the film and other sources have confirmed that yes, they did. Different branched timelines were created from each point that was changed due to a time heist. Putting the stones back protects the future of that new timeline but creates a new one, regardless.

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Although the answer to how Cap returned to the main timeline is simply by using his last batch of Pym Particles.

Here is an additional bit of reading that goes into more detail and helped me understand a bit more about Endgame: https://www.thisisbarry.com/film/avengers-endgame-timeline-explained-no-plot-holes/#teams

I understand where your sentiment is coming from, because during the conversation between Hulk and the Ancient One, the visuals seem to indicate that a new timeline would be erased entirely if a stone were returned. But if this were the case, how would returning, say, the power stone to the 2014 timeline in any way return Thanos and his forces (which traveled to 2023 and died) to life in that timeline? It wouldn’t. Perhaps that’s where the TVA comes in.
 
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Mousertainment

Well-Known Member
And now for the land, I'm going to start with a quote from my friend: "Star Wars Land looks way better."

I should note that my friend does not care for Star Wars (I don't think she's seen most of the movies) but is a big fan of the MCU, and that was her main takeaway. And I agree with her - Avengers Campus absolutely suffers in comparison to Galaxy's Edge. Say what you will about the choice to place the land on a new planet rather than a known location like Tatooine or Naboo, but at least they establish a sense of place for the land, and the level of detail put into everything honestly places the land into the grand tradition of great Disney lands. Avengers Campus....does not have that. It is more in the grand tradition of Pixar Pier, with buildings just slapped together without rhyme or reason. It really did remind me of the terrible "neighborhoods" concept Pixar Pier uses, in that this is the Spider-Man area, this is the Ant-Man area, this is for the Guardians, etc. There's a huge lack of cohesion in everything going on here that is to the detriment of the land.

I should add on top here that the setting and buildings are boring to look at. Again, to compare this to Galaxy's Edge, there is no wow moment like rounding the corner and seeing the Falcon, and there's not even a lived-in moment like walking down the bazaar or the transition to the outskirts of the town where the Resistance is. Avengers Campus is just a bunch of square buildings with little to differentiate them beyond some signage. It's night and day stuff, and creates a land that my group was very excited to leave.

I mentioned it in the Spider-Man ride review, but the characters are the clear best part of this land, and the sheer volume of characters available to interact with is the biggest selling point here. Like I've mentioned before, some of the costumes were really good, the Iron Man one was bad enough that I wondered why they even bothered to go with a setting where he's still theoretically alive, and everyone did a good job embodying their characters. My one detracting point is that the shows just grind the land to a halt, and they clearly have not figured out a way to run those shows yet while also moving people through the land in a good way.

Pyms.....Pym's was the biggest disappointment for us as a group. I mentioned earlier that mobile order is a train wreck in its current form, but the food and drinks left a lot to be desired as well. We got all three of the cocktails to try, with the X-Periment being fine if not extremely sweet with no kick despite saying it has habanero syrup, the Particle Fizz being an absolutely-terrible attempt at a hard seltzer, and the Honey Buzz being the clear best option and one I would actually consider ordering in the future. The food was ok as well; I had the PB3 which was the best of the group though messy enough that I'd hesitate ordering it again, one of our group had the Pym-ini which he described as a "poor attempt at a muffaleta" and with a single serving that was half of what I got with my sandwich. Another of the group got the Atomic Fusion Pretzel, of which the buffalo sauce was the clear best part of a disappointing dish.

Here's my overall takeaway: this land is disappointing in a bunch of various ways that are much harder to fix than what we got from Galaxy's Edge. At least with that land, there were solid bones that just needed a few additions (the opening of RotR, a larger restaurant/cantina, entertainment) to really shine as an exceptional land, but having a generally-strong underbelly to work with. Avengers Campus....doesn't really have that. It's a bland land that is carried by the sheer volume of characters, which means that when Disney eventually decides to cut the entertainment budget here, you're just left with a boring, bland land with not much going for it. This isn't even a situation where a rumored Avengers E-ticket would fix things, but merely act as a band-aid. For as much money as Marvel brings into the company, for them to trot out an offering that is barely at the same level of what Universal made over 20 years ago is embarrassing for all parties.
I think you gave an extremely fair and even-handed review of both the attraction and the land. And I say that as someone who really likes the Spidey attraction exactly as is and loves the land approximately 5,000,000% more than GE. lol I personally find GE cold, silent, unwelcoming and drab in color and lacking anything of substance for me to do once I've gone 'oh yeah, that Falcon ship over there is big, isn't it? Cool.' and gotten my hug from Chewbacca. I have a better themed shopping experience in the DTD Star Wars store than in GE - and a larger selection of Star Wars items to shop for there, too! GE does not lack for space as AC does, so there's no excuse for all the best shopping to be outside the land itself.

And I'll agree with you that AC lives and dies by the characters and shows. With them, it is a joyous, colorful, kinetic, audible, living space. Without them, it would just be some buildings and a cute attraction to ride and then move on from because it's easier to eat elsewhere with more food options - AND SHADE - in other places - and the main store is again in a completely separate land! (This is becoming more of an annoyance to me each time I go - I want the big Marvel shop to be *in* AC, not half a land away in the Backlot unless they commit to making the Backlot/Hollywood Land fully Marvel themed and not just 'all the other Marvel stuff we can't fit into AC'! They really need to open a nice big gift shop in Avengers HQ ASAP even if they don't open the E-Ticket any time soon.)

This is why I hope that TPTB see the continuing value in the character representation - they ARE the heart and soul of the land. Though as you said, the multiplicity of shows does keep interrupting the flow of traffic with something happening every few minutes. I might space the stunt show and warrior training show and Doctor Strange show apart just a bit more - and expect they will be as they continue to adjust and see how it all works with a higher capacity attendance. I know I'm particularly partial to the GOTG: Awesome Dance-Off but I think both it and a perhaps trimmed-down Spidey show with a little less tumbling and more just great Spidey wall-crawling, posing, waving and flying are fine to run more often in the two far outreaches of the land.
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
The problem is Disney should give you a pickup time and your food should be bagged up and ready at that time.

The silly "come here at this time and then tell us you're here and we'll start to make it" system is dumb.

Can you imagine if a restaraunt did this? Makes no sense. Let me show up when its ready, why waste the customer's time?
It is how most other fast food and quick service restaurants deal with online orders. People would be more annoyed by cold food than a short wait. Disney though is not incentivized to have short waits and has been spending years making people wait as much as possible.
 

Absimilliard

Well-Known Member
And now for the land, I'm going to start with a quote from my friend: "Star Wars Land looks way better."

I should note that my friend does not care for Star Wars (I don't think she's seen most of the movies) but is a big fan of the MCU, and that was her main takeaway. And I agree with her - Avengers Campus absolutely suffers in comparison to Galaxy's Edge. Say what you will about the choice to place the land on a new planet rather than a known location like Tatooine or Naboo, but at least they establish a sense of place for the land, and the level of detail put into everything honestly places the land into the grand tradition of great Disney lands. Avengers Campus....does not have that. It is more in the grand tradition of Pixar Pier, with buildings just slapped together without rhyme or reason. It really did remind me of the terrible "neighborhoods" concept Pixar Pier uses, in that this is the Spider-Man area, this is the Ant-Man area, this is for the Guardians, etc. There's a huge lack of cohesion in everything going on here that is to the detriment of the land.

I should add on top here that the setting and buildings are boring to look at. Again, to compare this to Galaxy's Edge, there is no wow moment like rounding the corner and seeing the Falcon, and there's not even a lived-in moment like walking down the bazaar or the transition to the outskirts of the town where the Resistance is. Avengers Campus is just a bunch of square buildings with little to differentiate them beyond some signage. It's night and day stuff, and creates a land that my group was very excited to leave.

I mentioned it in the Spider-Man ride review, but the characters are the clear best part of this land, and the sheer volume of characters available to interact with is the biggest selling point here. Like I've mentioned before, some of the costumes were really good, the Iron Man one was bad enough that I wondered why they even bothered to go with a setting where he's still theoretically alive, and everyone did a good job embodying their characters. My one detracting point is that the shows just grind the land to a halt, and they clearly have not figured out a way to run those shows yet while also moving people through the land in a good way.

Pyms.....Pym's was the biggest disappointment for us as a group. I mentioned earlier that mobile order is a train wreck in its current form, but the food and drinks left a lot to be desired as well. We got all three of the cocktails to try, with the X-Periment being fine if not extremely sweet with no kick despite saying it has habanero syrup, the Particle Fizz being an absolutely-terrible attempt at a hard seltzer, and the Honey Buzz being the clear best option and one I would actually consider ordering in the future. The food was ok as well; I had the PB3 which was the best of the group though messy enough that I'd hesitate ordering it again, one of our group had the Pym-ini which he described as a "poor attempt at a muffaleta" and with a single serving that was half of what I got with my sandwich. Another of the group got the Atomic Fusion Pretzel, of which the buffalo sauce was the clear best part of a disappointing dish.

Here's my overall takeaway: this land is disappointing in a bunch of various ways that are much harder to fix than what we got from Galaxy's Edge. At least with that land, there were solid bones that just needed a few additions (the opening of RotR, a larger restaurant/cantina, entertainment) to really shine as an exceptional land, but having a generally-strong underbelly to work with. Avengers Campus....doesn't really have that. It's a bland land that is carried by the sheer volume of characters, which means that when Disney eventually decides to cut the entertainment budget here, you're just left with a boring, bland land with not much going for it. This isn't even a situation where a rumored Avengers E-ticket would fix things, but merely act as a band-aid. For as much money as Marvel brings into the company, for them to trot out an offering that is barely at the same level of what Universal made over 20 years ago is embarrassing for all parties.

After seeing the Pym-Ini sandwich and its price point, I set out out to recreate it at home in Canada and see what it would taste like. Reading your review make the problem obvious: Disney went cheap, cheap on the ingredients!

I got restaurant grade foccatia bread, 2x of which ended up the same size as the family sized Pym-Ini. Then, I got packaged Saputo provolone cheese and hit a local supermarket for genoa salami, rosemary ham and figured a nice tomato pesto would be appropriate. Found some pasta sauce and then assembled it, pressed it in my bread press and...

It was AMAZING. The texture, flavor mix and light bread all meshed together for an awesome sandwich. Now I read your review and its the complete opposite of mine.
 

AL2000HS

Well-Known Member
The problem is Disney should give you a pickup time and your food should be bagged up and ready at that time.

The silly "come here at this time and then tell us you're here and we'll start to make it" system is dumb.

Can you imagine if a restaraunt did this? Makes no sense. Let me show up when its ready, why waste the customer's time?
I can see why they do it that way. So it's a bit fresher for you. If they made it for you. Sat it there. Then it gets cold or go to waste bc someone wants to have it remade. Things happen all the time that might make you miss the right time.
Makes me think of my local starbucks. There are times someone's frapp is completely melted by the time they get there then they have to remake it bc they were late picking it up.
 

CaptinEO

Well-Known Member
I can see why they do it that way. So it's a bit fresher for you. If they made it for you. Sat it there. Then it gets cold or go to waste bc someone wants to have it remade. Things happen all the time that might make you miss the right time.
Makes me think of my local starbucks. There are times someone's frapp is completely melted by the time they get there then they have to remake it bc they were late picking it up.
It doesn't make sense to me.

They'd rather inconvenience every person who orders to avoid a situation where a few people may be late?

This means now everyone is inconvenienced instead of only late arrivals being inconvenienced.

As it stands now some people have to wait 30-40 minutes after having a pickup time and then clicking "I'm Here". It's going to anger more people than a system that just gives you a pickup time and tells you when its ready.
 

el_super

Well-Known Member
I am just wondering as I lam let down by your assessment. Your thoughts don't make me want to go to Anaheim just to see this land as I initially wanted to.

As someone who thinks most of the bad reviews here are a little excessive, please do not come to Anaheim JUST to see this new ride/land. There's a lot more to do at Disneyland.
 

el_super

Well-Known Member
This means now everyone is inconvenienced instead of only late arrivals being inconvenienced.

If the entire kitchen has to stop to remake an order, everyone (mobile order or not) is inconvenienced. If it happens enough times, people would just end up waiting an extra 30 to 40 minutes and no one would really know why....
 

dovetail65

Active Member
As someone who thinks most of the bad reviews here are a little excessive, please do not come to Anaheim JUST to see this new ride/land. There's a lot more to do at Disneyland.
Well I have been to Disneyland many many times, one of my kids lives about 30 minutes from the Park(well if there was no traffic). I am actually off to the airport(ORD) today to send him back home to CA. He is taking his little sister and her girlfriend with him to visit Ca for their first time. I go to WDW far more and prefer it over Disneyland, if WDW had this land in FL I most likely wouldn't make a special trip to Ca to see it. I can always visit my son and use it as an excuse to go to Disneyland though!

Your point is taken, there are some with very harsh thoughts on Disney, Disneyland and WDW on this forum that many times I don't understand. I probably shouldn't base my trips on their comments, I need see for myself.
 

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