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[Practical Pig]

The Peppers Ghost effect in the Haunted Mansion employs a giant screen in the foreground of the guests view. Because it's made of almost transparent glass displaying the reflected images of physical props we don't perceive it as a screen, but that's what it is. Screens are a valuable tool in enhancing a theme park experience, when they're used well.

 

[Model3 McQueen]

The Peppers Ghost effect in the Haunted Mansion employs a giant screen in the foreground of the guests view. Because it's made of almost transparent glass displaying the reflected images of physical props we don't perceive it as a screen, but that's what it is. Screens are a valuable tool in enhancing a theme park experience, when they're used well.

Pepper's Ghost is not a screen, it's a mirror effect / illusion technique.

@MisterPenguin @Disney Irish Bruh

This is the official definition of a screen, according to Dictionary.

1. a fixed or movable upright partition used to divide a room, to give shelter from drafts, heat, or light, or to provide concealment or privacy.
2. a flat panel or area on an electronic device such as a television, computer, or smartphone, on which images and data are displayed.

I'll go ahead and say that we're speaking of definition 2.

 

[shortstop]

The Peppers Ghost effect in the Haunted Mansion employs a giant screen in the foreground of the guests view. Because it's made of almost transparent glass displaying the reflected images of physical props we don't perceive it as a screen, but that's what it is. Screens are a valuable tool in enhancing a theme park experience, when they're used well.

I think in this context, when people say “screens”, they are referring to TV/projector type screens. I don’t think you’ll find anyone saying the Peppers Ghost effects in HM aren’t awesome!

 

[Practical Pig]

Pepper's Ghost is not a screen, it's a mirror effect / illusion technique.

@MisterPenguin @Disney Irish Bruh

This is the official definition of a screen, according to Dictionary.

1. a fixed or movable upright partition used to divide a room, to give shelter from drafts, heat, or light, or to provide concealment or privacy.
2. a flat panel or area on an electronic device such as a television, computer, or smartphone, on which images and data are displayed.

I'll go ahead and say that we're speaking of definition 2.

Your quoted definition doesn't even include movie screens which are a broad surface receiving a projected image. The glass in the Peppers Ghost effect is a broad surface receiving a reflected image.

 

[Practical Pig]

I think in this context, when people say “screens”, they are referring to TV/projector type screens. I don’t think you’ll find anyone saying the Peppers Ghost effects in HM aren’t awesome!

Agreed. My point is simply that the tool isn't good or bad. It's the usage of it that matters.

 

[HiJe]

Your quoted definition doesn't even include movie screens which are a broad surface receiving a projected image. The glass in the Peppers Ghost effect is broad surface receiving a reflected image.

Random thought: Is the glass used for a Peppers Ghost effect a certain special type of transparent glass or is it just standard glass that is kept very clean?

 

[Model3 McQueen]

Your quoted definition doesn't even include movie screens which are a broad surface receiving a projected image. The glass in the Peppers Ghost effect is a broad surface receiving a reflected image.

I gave you the official definition of the word "screen". And I would more or less consider those as a projection surface, or projection screen. Different argument. I don't have much of a problem with projection screens, like hatbox, but I do with the garbage they give us in Ghost Galaxy / Hyperspace.

 

[Disney Irish]

Sorry, this response may be completely irrelevant based on what other users have said in my absence lol



I think that it cheapens the experience or story or effect, if the only way of telling it is through a screen. So, I think like @TROR said, they should base the story or elements on physical elements for maximum efficiency in storytelling. Your example was a space battle; It's completely possible to do without the use of television. Let's wait and see how Battle Escape looks.

I'm not debating that screens shouldn't ever be used. I'm debating their usage in E-ticket, all-out attractions.



This I will certainly give you! At the same time, this is a proper usage of a TV screen (in the room), but it should be limited to this scene only. Screens in the actual ride itself are pathetic, IMO.



NEVER!! I absolutely think they could. Look at the yeti in Matterhorn when you're going up the lifthill, or the hallways / mirror scene that was on ToT. They're extremely effective but don't necessarily use an AA. I'd personally argue they're not screens either.



Agreed, but if they're going cheap on the plans after charging us a premium for an experience, I believe we have the right to hold Disney to this standard



The problem is that all of their major, new offerings are seemingly grounded with TV screen-based effects (and IP). We know Disney is capable of creating some of the best, most immersive attractions and AA's in the world. And with the money we're giving them, there really shouldn't be much of an excuse as to why we aren't getting a non-IP, physical-based E-ticket attraction.

You're entitled to your opinion, as am I. Its all going to be based on personal experience and ones taste.

As I've said, I'll admit that GotG is not the best example of a screen based attraction. But at the same time I don't feel its a bad attraction or a bad experience. You have a personal grudge against the attraction, and I get that.

I personally feel that screens have their place in WDIs toolbox just like practical sets and AAs. What I want as a guest is to have the best experience at the parks, no matter what type of technology is used. In the end I don't care if an attraction is screen based or has physical sets and AAs, or a combination of all of it. All I care about is having the best experience while I'm there.

 

[Disney Irish]

I gave you the official definition of the word "screen". And I would more or less consider those as a projection surface, or projection screen. Different argument. I don't have much of a problem with projection screens, like hatbox, but I do with the garbage they give us in Ghost Galaxy / Hyperspace.

I would argue though that a majority of "screens" that you have an issue with are not actually screens, but rather projections. They aren't actually TVs like in your definition.

 

[Model3 McQueen]

You're entitled to your opinion, as am I. Its all going to be based on personal experience and ones taste.

As I've said, I'll admit that GotG is not the best example of a screen based attraction. But at the same time I don't feel its a bad attraction or a bad experience. You have a personal grudge against the attraction, and I get that.

I personally feel that screens have their place in WDIs toolbox just like practical sets and AAs. What I want as a guest is to have the best experience at the parks, no matter what type of technology is used. In the end I don't care if an attraction is screen based or has physical sets and AAs, or a combination of all of it. All I care about is having the best experience while I'm there.

I'm more of a thematic and originality type of person, which I think is where my love for Disney parks came from. I'm also a VR and gaming enthusiast so unfortunately for me, the experience of something like TSMM or Star Tours doesn't do much when I can play a shooter on VR or Star Wars Battlefront (ekh...EA)

I can like Screamin' and dislike Incredicoaster, just as I can like ToT and dislike M:B. I think this is where the subjectivity comes in. I enjoy the experience, but I don't want my experience to be made of screens or cheap figures. I want immersion and high quality, if the attraction is going to be story based. That too is subjective. I suppose we will have to walk away in a stalemate

I mainly dislike screens in my experience, of course there are always exceptions. I don't care much for Star Tours, TSMM, etc. Mainly because I don't want to watch something in a park, that I could just as easily watch at home. Projection effects are better, but that's on a case by case basis. I also wouldn't argue that Pepper's Ghost is a screen effect.

 

[TROR]

We're arguing semantics now?

 

[Disney Irish]

I'm more of a thematic and originality type of person, which I think is where my love for Disney parks came from. I'm also a VR and gaming enthusiast so unfortunately for me, the experience of something like TSMM or Star Tours doesn't do much when I can play a shooter on VR or Star Wars Battlefront (ekh...EA)

I can like Screamin' and dislike Incredicoaster, just as I can like ToT and dislike M:B. I think this is where the subjectivity comes in. I enjoy the experience, but I don't want my experience to be made of screens or cheap figures. I want immersion and high quality, if the attraction is going to be story based. That too is subjective. I suppose we will have to walk away in a stalemate

I mainly dislike screens in my experience, of course there are always exceptions. I don't care much for Star Tours, TSMM, etc. Mainly because I don't want to watch something in a park, that I could just as easily watch at home. Projection effects are better, but that's on a case by case basis. I also wouldn't argue that Pepper's Ghost is a screen effect.

I understand where you are coming, I honestly do. I just think that a lot of the issues you have are jaded by the fact that a lot of these replaced experiences that you loved.

Anyways, its not about walking away in a stalemate, its not a war lol. Its about understanding each other.

 

[Practical Pig]

I gave you the official definition of the word "screen". And I would more or less consider those as a projection surface, or projection screen. Different argument. I don't have much of a problem with projection screens, like hatbox, but I do with the garbage they give us in Ghost Galaxy / Hyperspace.

You'll find many definitions of the word, but projection screens, excluded in yours, are certainly screens. It's not a different argument.

 

[Hatbox Ghostbuster]

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

My favorite projection screen is at the end of The Mummy ride where Brendan Fraser yells about coffee.

 

[Model3 McQueen]

I understand where you are coming, I honestly do. I just think that a lot of the issues you have are jaded by the fact that a lot of these replaced experiences that you loved.

Anyways, its not about walking away in a stalemate, its not a war lol. Its about understanding each other.

I won't lie: You're right, that's definitely where i'm coming from haha. The park closest to my home is now heading in a bad direction (to me), exchanging my previously defined experiences that I loved, for what i'm perceiving as advertisement, and with properties that I just don't care about - and while doing so, cheaping out on the experiences, IMO. It's a tough realization but supposedly fits the vision of the 'new and improved' DCA.

You'll find many definitions of the word, but projection screens, excluded in yours, are certainly screens. It's not a different argument.

I mean really, you might as well be telling me that we're arguing about the official definition now. Which is written by Dictionary itself.

 

[Disney Irish]

I won't lie: You're right, that's definitely where i'm coming from haha. The park closest to my home is now heading in a bad direction (to me), exchanging my previously defined experiences that I loved, for what i'm perceiving as advertisement, and with properties that I just don't care about - and while doing so, cheaping out on the experiences, IMO. It's a tough realization but supposedly fits the vision of the 'new and improved' DCA.

At least you're willing to admit it, and that is the first step....

I mean really, you might as well be telling me that we're arguing about the official definition now. Which is written by Dictionary itself.

I think you're limiting the definition to what you think the definition of what makes a screen. A screen is anything is displays a reflective image. For example a plain white sheet or even a plain white wall can be used as a screen for displaying a projected image. There are even special paints that you can use to paint a wall to be like a movie theater screen for projectors.

 

[Practical Pig]

I mean really, you might as well be telling me that we're arguing about the official definition now. Which is written by Dictionary itself.

And Here's one from Merriam Webster:

4 a : a flat surface on which a picture or series of pictures is projected or reflected

b : the surface on which the image appears in an electronic display (as in a television set, radar receiver, or computer terminal)

We're only doing this because you objected to my referring to the Pepper's Ghost effect as being screen-based. Merriam Webster has my back.

 

[TROR]

Arguing the definition of a screen is a bad look. We all know what we're talking about here. Knock it off and get back to the actual discussion.

 

[Model3 McQueen]

At least you're willing to admit it, and that is the first step....




I think you're limiting the definition to what you think the definition of what makes a screen. A screen is anything is displays a reflective image. For example a plain white sheet or even a plain white wall can be used as a screen for displaying a projected image. There are even special paints that you can use to paint a wall to be like a movie theater screen for projectors.

And Here's one from Merriam Webster:

4 a : a flat surface on which a picture or series of pictures is projected or reflected

b : the surface on which the image appears in an electronic display (as in a television set, radar receiver, or computer terminal)

We're only doing this because you objected to my referring to the Pepper's Ghost effect as being screen-based. Merriam Webster has my back.

Goodness gracious, is it the weekend yet?

Dictionary.com:

1. a movable or fixed device, usually consisting of a covered frame, that provides shelter, serves as apartition, etc.
2. a permanent, usually ornamental partition, as around the choir of a church or across the hall of amedieval house.
3. a specially prepared, light-reflecting surface on which motion pictures, slides, etc., may be projected.
   1. Electronics . a surface on which electronically created images or text are displayed, as on a television,computer, mobile device, or radar receiver.
   2. Digital Technology . frame(def 10).
   3. motion pictures collectively or the motion-picture industry.
   4. anything that shelters, protects, or conceals:a screen of secrecy; A screen of fog prevented our seeing the ship.
   5. a frame holding a mesh of wire, cloth, or plastic, for placing in a window or doorway, around a porch,etc., to admit air but exclude insects.
   6. a sieve, riddle, or other meshlike device used to separate smaller particles or objects from larger ones,as for grain or sand.
   7. a system for screening or grouping people, objects, etc.
   8. Military . a body of troops sent out to protect the movement of an army.
   9. Navy . a protective formation of small vessels, as destroyers, around or in front of a larger ship or ships.
   10. Physics . a shield designed to prevent interference between various agencies:electric screen.
   11. Electronics . screen grid.
   12. Photography . a plate of ground glass or the like on which the image is brought into focus in a camerabefore being photographed.
   13. Photoengraving . a transparent plate containing two sets of fine parallel lines, one crossing the other,used in the halftone process.
   14. Sports .
       1. any of various offensive plays in which teammates form a protective formation around the ball carrier,pass receiver, shooter, etc.
       2. any of various defensive plays in which teammates conceal or block an opposing ball carrier, passreceiver, shooter, or the goal, basket, net, etc., itself.

Merrian-Webster:
: a protective or ornamental device (such as a movable partition) shielding an area from heat or drafts or from view
2: something that shelters, protects, or hides: such as
a: a growth or stand of trees, shrubs, or plants
b: a protective formation of troops, ships, or planes
c: something that covers or disguises the true nature (as of an activity or feeling)his geniality is just a screen
d(1): a maneuver in various sports (such as basketball or ice hockey) whereby an opponent is legally impeded or the opponent's view of the play is momentarily blocked
(2): SCREEN PASS
3a: a perforated plate or cylinder or a meshed wire or cloth fabric usually mounted and used to separate coarser from finer parts
b: a system for examining and separating into different groups
c: a piece of apparatus designed to prevent agencies in one part from affecting other partsan optical screen
d: a frame holding a usually metallic netting used especially in a window or door to exclude pests (such as insects)
4a: a flat surface on which a picture or series of pictures is projected or reflected
b: the surface on which the image appears in an electronic display (as in a television set, radar receiver, or computer terminal)also : the information displayed on a computer screen at one time
5: a glass plate ruled with crossing opaque lines through which an image is photographed in making a halftone
6: the motion-picture medium or industry

screen
verb
screened; screening; screens
Definition of screen (Entry 2 of 2)
transitive verb
1: to guard from injury or danger
2a: to give shelter or protection to with or as if with a screen
b: to separate with or as if with a screenalso : to shield (an opponent) from a play or from view of a play
3a: to pass (something, such as coal, gravel, or ashes) through a screen to separate the fine part from the coarsealso : to remove by a screen
b(1): to examine usually methodically in order to make a separation into different groups
(2): to select or eliminate by a screening process
(3): to test or examine for the presence of something (such as a disease)patients were screened for hepatitis
4: to provide with a screen to keep out pests (such as insects)
5a(1): to present (something, such as a motion picture) for viewing on a screen
(2): to view the presentation of (something, such as a motion picture)
b: to present in a motion picture