lazyboy97o
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A backstory by definition is for the designers.
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Avengers Campus - Reactions / Reviews
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George Lucas on a Bench
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Isn't that the Trump national golf course?
I think the backstory is fine although is does feel like they got it a little reversed, surely 'When Tony Stark was determing where in the U.S.A. to build a new Avengers Campus the question was answered for him when the mysterious alien The Collector landed his museum in southern California, while Intel suggests he isn't full on supervillan it's probably best to stay close and keep an eye on him all the same.' seems to make more sense and accounts for Mission Breakout opening first.
As for why the Avengers aren't helping... well that's just one of those things you have to ignore in shared universe superhero comics "Doc Ock is attacking Grand Central Terminal, why isn't one of the other 10,000 superheros that live in New York helping?" Because you are reading a Spider-Man story.
As for why the Avengers aren't helping... well that's just one of those things you have to ignore in shared universe superhero comics "Doc Ock is attacking Grand Central Terminal, why isn't one of the other 10,000 superheros that live in New York helping?" Because you are reading a Spider-Man story.
Disney Irish
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Except look at the source material, comic books. They have been doing this since the beginning. You have to suspend critical thinking because these stories are not meant to be deep thinking pieces. This is not the LACMA here, its a land build around comic book characters who's stories never always make sense. And its really not meant to be taken so seriously.
You can debate all day long whether comic book characters belong in a theme park. But at least they are being true to the source material.
bigboiepcotball
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Kind of unrelated to the discussion, but I was recently at DCA, and I was able to see the construction of AC from my hotel, and the Spider Man show building seemed to either have a multi level ride track or a lot of tall physical sets, which could be totally feasible because of the relative height of the old showbuilding.
lazyboy97o
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Floor plans and building sections have already been made public. There is no multilevel track. There is a catwalk above the track and sets for equipment access.
mickEblu
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Because of course they can’t just make another regular coaster so they were probably designing a coaster car that steps off the tracks, walks around turns into a simulator and then goes back to the tracks. Get out of your own head WDI. There’s a reason those old fashioned coasters still have long lines decades later. They never go out of style and they re reliable. They haven’t built a coaster in DL since BTMRR in 79. It’s overdue.
Phroobar
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Gadget's Go Coaster opened in 1993 but I know what you mean. DL needs a traditional coaster along the lines of BTMRR and SM and not some transformer ride.
mickEblu
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Forgot about that one and yes!
Rich T
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That's an important point, but I think Disney's starting to see the other shoe drop. Overcrowding, subpar new attractions, lands that generate no emotional attachment, and overpricing to the point where even the most casual customer perceives the company as greedy-- These are not factors that generate repeat visitors. If the floor drops out in the next few years, Disney's got no one to blame but themselves. Of course, they'll point the blame at anyone *but* themselves.
Disney Irish
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And yet record attendance every year.That's an important point, but I think Disney's starting to see the other shoe drop. Overcrowding, subpar new attractions, lands that generate no emotional attachment, and overpricing to the point where even the most casual customer perceives the company as greedy-- These are not factors that generate repeat visitors. If the floor drops out in the next few years, Disney's got no one to blame but themselves. Of course, they'll point the blame at anyone *but* themselves.
So I don’t disagree with you in principal. But in the real world where Disney is considered a lifestyle your point is moot. I mean just look at us here, we sit here daily discussing the same basic topics over and over. We complain , we bi*ch, we moan over things like pricing and lackluster offerings. Yet I venture to guess that 95-99% of us still give Disney money in some form or another all because we need our Disney fix.
So unless the world economy completely crashes us back into the Stone Age, people will still find a way to get their Disney fix.
Rich T
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Disagree about the solidity of the park's guaranteed audience. The topic of whether or not Disney's worth the money any more is cropping up more and more among the GP, and there are more alternatives every year. I really think we're at the crest of Disney's roller coaster, and the fall is about to start. It won't destroy Disney, but it might wake them up. Worst case scenario: they decide they can make more profit by focusing entirely on producing more bad TV, and they sell the parks to Six Flags. Because Disney currently has no appreciation or interest in what the parks can do for people besides simply empty their bank accounts in the most *deletes passage that was too cynical even for me*.
Eh. I could be wrong.
But I wouldn't be here if Disneyland hadn't been so wonderful in so many ways during my childhood and young adulthood and... early middle age...and... um... well, before morphing into a somewhat less wonderful place. For a lot of people, it's coasting on the goodwill and great attractions created in the past by far more talented and imaginative people.
Disney Irish
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And yet record attendance.Disagree about the solidity of the park's guaranteed audience. The topic of whether or not Disney's worth the money any more is cropping up more and more among the GP, and there are more alternatives every year. I really think we're at the crest of Disney's roller coaster, and the fall is about to start. It won't destroy Disney, but it might wake them up. Worst case scenario: they decide they can make more profit by focusing entirely on producing more bad TV, and they sell the parks to Six Flags. Because Disney currently has no appreciation or interest in what the parks can do for people besides simply empty their bank accounts in the most *deletes passage that was too cynical even for me*.
Eh. I could be wrong.
The conversation of whether Disney Parks are worth the money is one I’ve seen for at least 20 years in the GP. It’s not new and will continue to be had long after we’re done debating this topic.
I agree that Disney will get a wake up call here soon. If for nothing than a slowing economy. However I will say that it amazes me that for all the complaints of APs over the years on board like this. it’ll end up being those same APs that will keep DLR afloat during any rough patches.
Rich T
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I'm talking about what I think's about to happen, not what is.
Now, I can only speak for myself. I used to be an AP holder. I used to visit DL three or four times a year. I used to buy hundreds of dollars of DL merchandise every year.
I haven't had an annual pass in more than a decade and now visit DL once every two or three years. Most of the great old stuff still charms, but I have little interest in anything they've added since Cars Land. I don't buy the merch. Part of this is me getting older and finding many other interests. Part of it is simply disgust at the pricing and the unsavoriness of what Disney's turning into.
As for the non-geezers in my family: They have far more interest in SW and Marvel, and love the parks in their current form nearly as much as I did classic DL...but even they are cutting back on the frequency of visits due to the cost and a feeling that the value just isn't quite there.
That's just one family group, but I think we represent a decent cross-section containing both fans and casuals. So, we'll see. But this is the first time in my life I've ever been more excited about what Universal and Cedar Fair are doing than Disney.
Disney Irish
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And I appreciate your point-of-view and what you think will happen. I just don’t completely agree with it.
Yes I believe Disney will get an awaking here soon, it’s already started with the opening of GE. But no I don’t believe the populous at large is going to give up their Disney fix in any large numbers. Sorry I just don’t. So no disrespect to your family, but they might be more an exception than a rule.
Model3 McQueen
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What do you believe will happen when Disney has their awakening? I'd be willing to bet Marvel Land will be an even bigger disappointment than GE.
In which event, I think a lot of families might move like @Rich T . I mean I grew invested in Disneyland thanks to my parents / family. When future parents don't appreciate the higher prices and newest offerings, they'll most likely find other things to do with their children.. who may love Disney and Disney characters, but obviously don't have the currency / maturity to go themselves.
Disney Irish
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You guys keep taking your own personal experiences and try placing that on the populous at large. I don’t do that I look at the data available and try to formulate an opinion. If everyone else thought how you guys did attendance wouldn't have continued to go up over the last couple of years.
The biggest test going forward will be what happens if the economy continues to slow down. Will Disney be reactive and cut everything to the bone, or will they be proactive and continue to invest and expand. I guess it’ll all depend on who’s in charge. But It’ll be interesting to watch.
As for Marvel, I can't tell yet how it'll turn out. Will the land be impressive like GE, but also lack in atmosphere like GE? Maybe, we'll see how it turns out. But I think there are far more people interested in Marvel right now than SW. So as long as they can execute and learn from the miss-steps of GE it'll be fine.
D.Silentu
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I have to think that Galaxy's Edge will serve as a teaching tool moving forward. I'm sure that the Avengers E-Ticket would not have been announced if Disneyland was being swarmed by tourists. They must realize what a blow it was not to have their flagship ride open with the rest of the land. In the Avengers case, it's too late so they had to at least acknowledge that there was more to the land than a ride and a restaurant.
Galaxy's Edge was born of pride, an effort to outdo Universal, where there really was no need to do so as far as ticket sales go. Rise of the Resistance may be the best attraction ever built, but does that matter after the lukewarm reviews of the land itself? I think Avengers Campus, and its forthcoming E-Ticket will benefit from that because some Imagineers are likely to be smarting after their crown jewel was seen as more of a cubic zirconia.
Galaxy's Edge was born of pride, an effort to outdo Universal, where there really was no need to do so as far as ticket sales go. Rise of the Resistance may be the best attraction ever built, but does that matter after the lukewarm reviews of the land itself? I think Avengers Campus, and its forthcoming E-Ticket will benefit from that because some Imagineers are likely to be smarting after their crown jewel was seen as more of a cubic zirconia.
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