Avengers Campus - Reactions / Reviews

[Disney Irish]

The real question is why the hell are they designing a theme park land to Look like a business park?

That I don't know, that part I think is stupid.

My only thought is that they wanted to invoke the idea that its an extension of the Avengers Campus from NY.

 

[Nirya]

Still doesn’t answer the main storyline problem with this ride. If the Collector is an antagonist, why did the Avengers let him have a part of their campus AND how do the Avengers not notice that the Guardians are missing and trapped in said collection. Wouldn’t the Avengers know that the Guardians are trapped and therefore save them? Why would the Avengers let guests go inside an antagonists museum? Isn’t that dangerous and not safe?

That story just further messes with the story. I thought guests “WANT” detailed stories in Disney Parks? This storyline doesn’t make sense.

Taking away the fact that the rides aren't actually part of the MCU but I guess a spin-off universe that is similar but different.....

The Collector has never been revealed to be a true "antagonist" in the way, say, Thanos or Loki are. His main appearances so far include Lady Sif bringing him the Reality Stone at the end of Thor: Dark World, his scene in Guardians where, again, the protaganists brought him the Power Stone before his slave blew the place up, and his "appearance" in Infinity War, which was actually just a fake reality created by Thanos. The only Avengers who would have had an interaction with the Collector by this point are Thor and the Guardians, and Thor trusted the Collector enough to willingly give him an Infinity Stone, while the Guardians....well, we know where they're at. The first time the Collector ever truly sits in the antagonist role is in this ride; otherwise, he occupies the space of meddlesome but not outright malicious up to this point.

Everything else kinda slides into place from that point. The Avengers wouldn't notice that the Guardians are being held prisoner because the Terrans are the first visitors (and if we're being fair, the Avengers probably aren't doing a thorough inspection of the entire place so the Collector could have just hid the Guardians up to that point). The Avengers wouldn't know where the Guardians are in the same way Thor didn't know Hulk was on the Grandmaster's planet until he saw him. Seems pretty simple really.

 

[mickEblu]

Look do I care if there is a backstory, no. But to me this appears to be an amendment to the original story. I'm just telling it like I see it, you want to call it defending Disney so be it.

Also if you haven't noticed I've not been "defending" Disney lately. So stop knee jerk reacting to my posts in such a way.

I’m not sure what you mean by knee jerk reacting to your posts? I feel that this is the first discussion you and I have had in weeks. So you don’t think them switching to KABLAM to the fact he came here because of the Avengers is inconsistent?

To be honest My “problem” isn’t even that the stories are stupid/,inconsistent. It’s that they exist in the first place. I’d love to see a backstory on why Splash Mountain is in Disneyland and why we re sitting in hollowed out logs.

 

[Disney Irish]

Taking away the fact that the rides aren't actually part of the MCU but I guess a spin-off universe that is similar but different.....

The Collector has never been revealed to be a true "antagonist" in the way, say, Thanos or Loki are. His main appearances so far include Lady Sif bringing him the Reality Stone at the end of Thor: Dark World, his scene in Guardians where, again, the protaganists brought him the Power Stone before his slave blew the place up, and his "appearance" in Infinity War, which was actually just a fake reality created by Thanos. The only Avengers who would have had an interaction with the Collector by this point are Thor and the Guardians, and Thor trusted the Collector enough to willingly give him an Infinity Stone, while the Guardians....well, we know where they're at. The first time the Collector ever truly sits in the antagonist role is in this ride; otherwise, he occupies the space of meddlesome but not outright malicious up to this point.

Everything else kinda slides into place from that point. The Avengers wouldn't notice that the Guardians are being held prisoner because the Terrans are the first visitors (and if we're being fair, the Avengers probably aren't doing a thorough inspection of the entire place so the Collector could have just hid the Guardians up to that point). The Avengers wouldn't know where the Guardians are in the same way Thor didn't know Hulk was on the Grandmaster's planet until he saw him. Seems pretty simple really.

Thank you for a very thoughtful laid out post. Someone who truly gets it.

 

[Disney Irish]

I’m not sure what you mean by knee jerk reacting to your posts? I feel that this is the first discussion you and I have had in weeks. So you don’t think them switching to KABLAM to the fact he came here because of the Avengers is inconsistent?

To be honest My “problem” isn’t even that the stories are stupid/,inconsistent. It’s that they exist in the first place. I’d love to see a backstory on why Splash Mountain is in Disneyland and why we re sitting in hollowed out logs.

Um, weren't we just going back and forth last week about your "Tronket" ride. Where I kept telling you that Chapek is likely to cut budget on that idea and it'd end up no different to Rocket Rods, which is why I didn't want it.

 

[mickEblu]

Taking away the fact that the rides aren't actually part of the MCU but I guess a spin-off universe that is similar but different.....

The Collector has never been revealed to be a true "antagonist" in the way, say, Thanos or Loki are. His main appearances so far include Lady Sif bringing him the Reality Stone at the end of Thor: Dark World, his scene in Guardians where, again, the protaganists brought him the Power Stone before his slave blew the place up, and his "appearance" in Infinity War, which was actually just a fake reality created by Thanos. The only Avengers who would have had an interaction with the Collector by this point are Thor and the Guardians, and Thor trusted the Collector enough to willingly give him an Infinity Stone, while the Guardians....well, we know where they're at. The first time the Collector ever truly sits in the antagonist role is in this ride; otherwise, he occupies the space of meddlesome but not outright malicious up to this point.

Everything else kinda slides into place from that point. The Avengers wouldn't notice that the Guardians are being held prisoner because the Terrans are the first visitors (and if we're being fair, the Avengers probably aren't doing a thorough inspection of the entire place so the Collector could have just hid the Guardians up to that point). The Avengers wouldn't know where the Guardians are in the same way Thor didn't know Hulk was on the Grandmaster's planet until he saw him. Seems pretty simple really.

It’s dumb to create a living, breathing story into a land if you are going to lock the timeframe of that land to 3 minutes after the Collector lands on earth. It makes no sense.

Save yourself the mental gymnastics. It’s just the WDI and marketing team trying to make sense of a ride that doesn’t really make sense in its current location - before or after Avengers Campus.

 

[mickEblu]

Um, weren't we just going back and forth last week about your "Tronket" ride. Where I kept telling you that Chapek is likely to cut budget on that idea and it'd end up no different to Rocket Rods, which is why I didn't want it.

Forgot about that but what did I knee jerk react about in that discussion?

 

[Disney Irish]

To be honest My “problem” isn’t even that the stories are stupid/,inconsistent. It’s that they exist in the first place. I’d love to see a backstory on why Splash Mountain is in Disneyland and why we re sitting in hollowed out logs.

Look I get it, you don't want meta stories. However the rest of the public eats up that kind of stuff. Disney and WDI don't make attractions for the purist currently. Maybe one day they will.

 

[Disney Irish]

Forgot about that but what did I knee jerk react about in that discussion?

Your statement here, you constantly think I just defend everything Disney does, which is not the case:

Just stop knee jerk defending everything Disney does.

 

[mickEblu]

Look I get it, you don't want meta stories. However the rest of the public eats up that kind of stuff. Disney and WDI don't make attractions for the purist currently. Maybe one day they will.

I don’t think the public cares to be honest. They just want I have fun and be transported to different worlds. Escapism. Nobody wants to escape to a business park in El Segundo.

 

[mickEblu]

Your statement here, you constantly think I just defend everything Disney does, which is not the case:

Lol but I just said that to you today. I said nothing of the sort during the Troncket Rod discussion.

 

[Disney Irish]

I don’t think the public cares to be honest. They just want I have fun and be transported to different worlds. Escapism. Nobody wants to escape to a business park in El Segundo.

Except that isn't what they will be thinking, they will be thinking "Hey I'm on the Avenger's Campus, just like the one I saw in the movie".

 

[TROR]

Look I get it, you don't want meta stories. However the rest of the public eats up that kind of stuff. Disney and WDI don't make attractions for the purist currently. Maybe one day they will.

Rest of the public is dumb. They shouldn’t be catered to. They’ll love the ride no matter what’s put out so just cater to those who do care.

 

[mickEblu]

Rest of the public is dumb. They shouldn’t be catered to. They’ll love the ride no matter what’s put out so just cater to those who do care.

Walt gave people what they didn’t know they wanted. Chapek/ Iger are giving people what they know they don’t want. Lol

 

[Disney Irish]

Lol but I just said that to you today. I said nothing of the sort during the Troncket Rod discussion.

You've said it a couple times over the last couple weeks in various different ways.

It'd be like me just saying "Stop being a Doom and Gloomer and every project", in almost all my interactions with you.

Basically just because I don't come out negative against every project like some around here doesn't mean I'm defending Disney. So please stop.

 

[Disney Irish]

Rest of the public is dumb. They shouldn’t be catered to. They’ll love the ride no matter what’s put out so just cater to those who do care.

Except they are the ones paying the money. You don't want to feed the beast, then convince the rest of the public to stop buying Disney products.

 

[mickEblu]

You've said it a couple times over the last couple weeks in various different ways.

It'd be like me just saying "Stop being a Doom and Gloomer and every project".

Basically just because I don't come out negative against every project like some around here doesn't mean I'm defending Disney. So please stop.

I honestly don’t remember. I recall saying something similar maybe once or twice in the past few years but OK bud, I’ll stop. By the way I wasn’t implying that you re a shill. It’s just in your nature to defend as oppose to criticize. You said to stop thinking so hard, so what’s the difference? That’s just calling me out for being too critical.

 

[Nirya]

It’s dumb to create a living, breathing story into a land if you are going to lock the timeframe of that land to 3 minutes after the Collector lands on earth. It makes no sense.

Save yourself the mental gymnastics. It’s just the WDI and marketing team trying to make sense of a ride that doesn’t really make sense in its current location - before or after Avengers Campus.

I think I just disagree that this is bad story. If there's a problem, it's that the Guardians ride came before anything else - if the order had been flipped and Guardians arrived after the land had been open, it wouldn't necessarily feel as bad.

 

[TROR]

They should just put Avengers Campus on the park maps and have MB be its only attraction.

 

[mickEblu]

I think I just disagree that this is bad story. If there's a problem, it's that the Guardians ride came before anything else - if the order had been flipped and Guardians arrived after the land had been open, it wouldn't necessarily feel as bad.

It’s not a bad story. It’s inconsistent and these stories are stupid in general. What was bad was rushing this ride in the first place. Now we can see that it still doesn’t make much more sense in Marvel Land than it did in Hollywoodland. Aesthetically or as part of the story they re going for. WDI/ marketing are doing the best to make sense of Chapeks dumb decisions. Although you’d think they couldn’t have gone wrong by toning down the flashiness of the Tower. A) to look better throughout the resort and B) to be more cohesive with its own land.