Avengers Campus: E-Watch! (Waiting on the new ride)

[Hawkeye_2018]

I'm confident AID will be a great ride, especially if I don't need 3d glasses for it

 

[mickEblu]

Have you guys seen the Jurassic World ride at Universal Beijing? Looks like pretty much the same ride system as Transformers / Spiderman / Tokyo Pan but it's full of huge animatronics, fully fleshed out sets and the integration between the physical elements screens looks pretty flawless. Check out 5'19" with the guy on the motorcycle for a great example of what I'm talking about. Also at the end where you're watching the two Dinos go at it. You're looking outside from the interior of the building with all of the broken building infrastructure in the foreground. The way the screens are framed and scenes are staged really helps one suspend disbelief. Unlike Mission Breakout where we FaceTime with the Guardians on a screen in the back of a small room. Nothing physical working with the screen to really sell the illusion. I think the reason even something like Star Tours is more effective is because the windshield doubles as the screen. Anyway, I'm going off on a tangent. All this to say they could beef up the Avengers ride if they really wanted to with a huge King Thano's AA and fleshed out sets like we see in this Jurassic World ride through. To be clear I don't expect AID have nearly as many physical elements as Jurassic World considering the fact that we're flying around to different locations it would be harder to pull off than dinosaurs in the jungle but it would be nice if they looked at this ride for inspiration.

 

[Disney Irish]

Have you guys seen the Jurassic World ride at Universal Beijing? Looks like pretty much the same ride system as Transformers / Spiderman / Tokyo Pan but it's full of huge animatronics, fully fleshed out sets and the integration between the physical elements screens looks pretty flawless. Check out 5'19" with the guy on the motorcycle for a great example of what I'm talking about. Also at the end where you're watching the two Dinos go at it. You're looking outside from the interior of the building with all of the broken building infrastructure in the foreground. The way the screens are framed and scenes are staged really helps one suspend disbelief. Unlike Mission Breakout where we FaceTime with the Guardians on a screen in the back of a small room. Nothing physical working with the screen to really sell the illusion. I think the reason even something like Star Tours is more effective is because the windshield doubles as the screen. Anyway, I'm going off on a tangent. All this to say they could beef up the Avengers ride if they really wanted to with a huge King Thano's AA and fleshed out sets like we see in this Jurassic World ride through. To be clear I don't expect AID have nearly as many physical elements as Jurassic World considering the fact that we're flying around to different locations it would be harder to pull off than dinosaurs in the jungle but it would be nice if they looked at this ride for inspiration.

Disney knows how to blend physical sets and screens, it just wasn't done for a reskin like MB. For a purpose built attraction like AID I have no doubt they'll blend physical sets and screens with AAs. For example on that concept art where we see Hulk holding the ride vehicle, I suspect that'll be an AA similar to how the first Rex dino that pushes back the car in that video is an AA.

 

[mickEblu]

Disney knows how to blend physical sets and screens, it just wasn't done for a reskin like MB. For a purpose built attraction like AID I have no doubt they'll blend physical sets and screens with AAs. For example on that concept art where we see Hulk holding the ride vehicle, I suspect that'll be an AA similar to how the first Rex dino that pushes back the car in that video is an AA.

It looks like they did a good job with Shanghai POTC. I used this Jurassic World ride as an example because it’s the same or very similar ride system as AID will have.

The question how far will they go with the physical sets, AAs. Hopefully ALL IN. Just going hard on one or two scenes/ sets can be counter productive and make the the more screen reliant scenes stand out.

 

[Disney Irish]

It looks like they did a good job with Shanghai POTC. I used this Jurassic World ride as an example because it’s the same or very similar ride system as AID will have.

The question how far will they go with the physical sets, AAs. Hopefully ALL IN. Just going hard on one or two scenes/ sets can be counter productive and make the the more screen reliant scenes stand out.

We'll see what they do when they start construction next year, but I think it'll be more like that Jurassic ride with a blend of physical sets, screens, and AAs, then something with only or mostly screens with little of anything else.

 

[britain]

We'll see what they do when they start construction next year, but I think it'll be more like that Jurassic ride with a blend of physical sets, screens, and AAs, then something with only or mostly screens with little of anything else.

Who was it that I heard… Someone was saying that the avengers ticket will have TWO animatronics. If that’s true, I sure hope one of them is the Hulk gripping your vehicle (as seen in the concept art). Was hoping for more though.

 

[D.Silentu]

I've seen video of that Jurassic World ride before and it is definitely top of the line! While it speaks to the potential of AID, I can only hope that Imagineers have taken notice. An Avengers ride should at least have some degree of intensity. It would seem that they do have something up their sleeve as Trowbridge did tease his "favorite part." I get the feeling that while Peter Pan was not the spotlight attraction at Fantasy Springs, they're well aware that the Avengers must aspire to be.

 

[britain]

It would be cool if at the end of the ride you travel back to the same time and place you departed from, so you will see yourself and everyone in your vehicle briefly before they takeoff to have the adventure you just had. A little riff on the tradition taking your picture and showing it to you during the ride (I think that first started with journey into imagination in 1983). If they could do that with 3-D video meshed in with the rest of the animation (like the rebel spy photograph in Star Tours) on a giant screen that would be really something.

 

[Disney Irish]

Who was it that I heard… Someone was saying that the avengers ticket will have TWO animatronics. If that’s true, I sure hope one of them is the Hulk gripping your vehicle (as seen in the concept art). Was hoping for more though.

I don't think I've heard any specifics of what and how many AAs would be in the ride, so I'd be curious to know where you saw that. I think the only thing I saw rumored was that the Thanos figure shown in the concept was to be a large AA.

 

[mickEblu]

We'll see what they do when they start construction next year, but I think it'll be more like that Jurassic ride with a blend of physical sets, screens, and AAs, then something with only or mostly screens with little of anything else.

Yeah I don't have as much faith but I hope you're right. Often times we compare these Mega E ticket park headliners over seas to our parks out here that are chock full of quality attractions. Over there they are THE reason to visit that new park with like 10 attractions. Here they re just "another ride." I'm just not sure Disney thinks they need to be on that level. I think Avatar will be because of James Cameron. Not so sure about this one. I think Coco can get away with being more charming. Not sure it has to be epic but they may be setting expectations too high with those Pirates/ Mansion comparisons. It would be amazing however to be blown away by a Coco ride with impressive scope/scale where one had charming/ D ticket expectations. Thats how you create "classics."

 

[Disney Irish]

Yeah I don't have as much faith but I hope you're right. Often times we compare these Mega E ticket park headliners over seas to our parks out here that are chock full of quality attractions. Over there they are THE reason to visit that new park with like 10 attractions. Here they re just "another ride." I'm just not sure Disney thinks they need to be on that level. I think Avatar will be because of Jame Cameron. Not so sure about this one.

So you really don't think Disney would do a quality Avatar area in DCA without James Cameron? That is really cynical. I mean so be it, but that is even too cynical for what I've known you to be all these years.

 

[D.Silentu]

I have unwarranted levels of optimism because I believe there are a wealth of potential advancements that dovetail the ride system chosen. I don't really expect animatronics, or at least not as many as Jurassic World. However, Runaway Railway brought to life a concept that I'd pondered for years in the "tropical island turned to seascape" sequence. It's a wonderful use of projection mapping and I can imagine multiple scenes on the ride designed this way to expand the number of locations visited. Naturally, Star Tours has been taking us to different places for over a decade, why couldn't the Avengers do the same?

Another upside of the use of screens is that they can bring us the variety of heroes, differing each ride, that were teased at the previous D23. An effect I have been aching for someone to implement is taking the same approach used in Star Tours and applying it to the 3D effects. Imagine re-riding the attraction and not being able to anticipate which objects will appear dimensionally in front of you. These effects no longer have to be predictable. Smuggler's Run is built like a video game with objects reacting to your ship crashing and lasers firing at a moment's notice. I can only hope that Imagineers are thinking with likewise ambition, because all of these things are attainable. They've just been served to us ala cart, never stewed. DCA has long needed an attraction that shows us something signature. As said, I'm aware of how intensely optimistic I am, but there is real potential here for the Imagineers to assemble a groundbreaking E-Ticket.

 

[mickEblu]

So you really don't think Disney would do a quality Avatar area in DCA without James Cameron? That is really cynical. I mean so be it, but that is even too cynical for what I've known you to be all these years.

Being a bit dramatic here no? Sometimes I think you re having conversations with yourself or whatever you want to believe the other person is saying so you can just type out whatever you planned to say 5 minutes ago.

Did I say it would be a turd without Cameron? There’s levels to this. It’s not just Good or Bad. There’s a whole lot of in between.

 

[Professortango1]

I have unwarranted levels of optimism because I believe there are a wealth of potential advancements that dovetail the ride system chosen. I don't really expect animatronics, or at least not as many as Jurassic World. However, Runaway Railway brought to life a concept that I'd pondered for years in the "tropical island turned to seascape" sequence. It's a wonderful use of projection mapping and I can imagine multiple scenes on the ride designed this way to expand the number of locations visited. Naturally, Star Tours has been taking us to different places for over a decade, why couldn't the Avengers do the same?

Another upside of the use of screens is that they can bring us the variety of heroes, differing each ride, that were teased at the previous D23. An effect I have been aching for someone to implement is taking the same approach used in Star Tours and applying it to the 3D effects. Imagine re-riding the attraction and not being able to anticipate which objects will appear dimensionally in front of you. These effects no longer have to be predictable. Smuggler's Run is built like a video game with objects reacting to your ship crashing and lasers firing as these things happen. I can only hope that Imagineers are thinking with likewise ambition, because all of these things are attainable. They've just been served to us ala cart, never stewed. DCA has long needed an attraction that shows us something signature. As said, I'm aware of how intensely optimistic I am, but there is real potential here for the Imagineers to assemble a groundbreaking E-Ticket.

I would say that's one of weaknesses I find with Star Tours' update. The original had a great video utilizing practical effects and was incredible strong and seamless. The new version feels like I'm being dropped into 3 different video game cut scenes. Add to that the fact I never believed we would be flying with the original pilot droid be cause he was obviously computer generated and Disney didn't even go through the trouble of building a puppet or practical figure. When it's computer generated, it's like the ride is announcing that it's fake and has no substance.

My worry is that AID will have the same feeling with our ride vehicle moving between screens with randomized CGI cut scenes.

I'd love to be wrong and see something closer to Jurassic World Adventure, but given what we've seen with Mission BO, Cosmic Rewind, We slingers, a d Star Tours, I have serious doubts.

 

[mickEblu]

I have unwarranted levels of optimism because I believe there are a wealth of potential advancements that dovetail the ride system chosen. I don't really expect animatronics, or at least not as many as Jurassic World. However, Runaway Railway brought to life a concept that I'd pondered for years in the "tropical island turned to seascape" sequence. It's a wonderful use of projection mapping and I can imagine multiple scenes on the ride designed this way to expand the number of locations visited. Naturally, Star Tours has been taking us to different places for over a decade, why couldn't the Avengers do the same?

Another upside of the use of screens is that they can bring us the variety of heroes, differing each ride, that were teased at the previous D23. An effect I have been aching for someone to implement is taking the same approach used in Star Tours and applying it to the 3D effects. Imagine re-riding the attraction and not being able to anticipate which objects will appear dimensionally in front of you. These effects no longer have to be predictable. Smuggler's Run is built like a video game with objects reacting to your ship crashing and lasers firing at a moment's notice. I can only hope that Imagineers are thinking with likewise ambition, because all of these things are attainable. They've just been served to us ala cart, never stewed. DCA has long needed an attraction that shows us something signature. As said, I'm aware of how intensely optimistic I am, but there is real potential here for the Imagineers to assemble a groundbreaking E-Ticket.

My gut says the Avatar ride will be the show stopper. Hopefully they play up the re-rideability of Avengers. Not just from everything we know about the ride systems and concepts but you just don’t see two show stoppers being built at the same time for the same park. Avengers will be a lot more modest. Doesn’t mean it can’t be good though.

 

[Disney Irish]

Being a bit dramatic here no? Sometimes I think you re having conversations with yourself or whatever you want to believe the other person is saying.

Did I say it would be a turd without Cameron? There’s levels to this. It’s not just Good or Bad. There’s a whole lot of in between.

Your comment about Avatar being in the level you talk about because of Cameron indicates that you believe without Cameron it wouldn’t be. If you didn’t believe that then I’m not sure why even mention Cameron at all.

Also I think Feige is there to make sure AID be on the level you talk about with regards to Avatar.

 

[Gusey]

Add to that the fact I never believed we would be flying with the original pilot droid be cause he was obviously computer generated and Disney didn't even go through the trouble of building a puppet or practical figure. When it's computer generated, it's like the ride is announcing that it's fake and has no substance.

Just out of curiosity, are you on about Rex, the original pilot from the 1987 version? If so, he was a real animatronic

 

[mickEblu]

Your comment about Avatar being in the level you talk about because of Cameron indicates that you believe without Cameron it wouldn’t be.

Awful take. So in your world everything is AMAZING or HORRIBLE?

 

[Professortango1]

Just out of curiosity, are you on about Rex, the original pilot from the 1987 version? If so, he was a real animatronic

I'm talking about the CGI pilot for the new Star Tours. Who gets locked out and C-3PO gets stuck piloting the craft. That moment in the pre-show falls flat for me since its clear that this isn't a real physical character that we will ever see and encounter, its just an animation like the other cartoon droid giving us the safety spiel.

 

[Professortango1]

So you really don't think Disney would do a quality Avatar area in DCA without James Cameron? That is really cynical. I mean so be it, but that is even too cynical for what I've known you to be all these years.

I mean, Disney DID give us Navi River Journey with projected small waterfalls and one AA figure. Its not the worst thing ever, but its far from good or memorable. Inoffensive is how I would classify it. And Disney has been hitting that mark consistently since Frozen Ever After. Pretty looking yet empty feeling attractions without much charm or investment. Its like watching an attractive person shrug.