Avengers Campus: E-Watch! (Waiting on the new ride)

Disney Irish

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MK-fan said:
Deadpool and Wolverine is a bad example, of course ppl would want to see the return of Wolverine especially in a multiverse scenario along with a long awaited Deadpool sequel. It was sure to be a hit, certain movies like that and the next two avenger movies are sure to be monumental hits. Same thing goes for Spider Man 3, Guardians 3 and Black Panther 2. Those movies had something that the fans really wanted to see. Spider-Man is always successful and fans wanted to see if both former spider-man’s would be in it, Black Panther 2 was sucessful because fans wanted to see what the movie would entail with the loss of Chadwick. Guardians movies were super popular and fans had waited six years for the sequel and were told that this will be the final one and it was rumored that some characters would die. These were destined to be moneymakers. Thankfully they were all decent movies. Can you say the same thing about Brave New World and Thunderbolts? Will they make a lot of money? I doubt it. What about The Marvels, Thor 4 and Antman 3? Those were “we will see how they do” movies and they have not been received very well.
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I think all this shows is that people’s opinions are different. That you can dislike something while others can enjoy it.

And what your post here again continues to show is that while some films are better than others overall the fan base is still alive and well because they will still come out for movies based on “insert reason here”, ie the franchise is not dead or dying. As something that is dead or dying won’t have even the most diehard fan showing up, and that just isn’t the case here. So individual films aside the MCU as a whole is still alive.

So again thank you for proving my point even more.
 
MK-fan

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Dying can be a slow process, many franchises have gone through it only to be rebooted sometime after confirming that the interest wasn’t there. Let’s see if these new Avengers films are good or universally panned, that will tell a lot about the future of the MCU.
 
MisterPenguin

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MK-fan said:
Dying can be a slow process, many franchises have gone through it only to be rebooted sometime after confirming that the interest wasn’t there. Let’s see if these new Avengers films are good or universally panned, that will tell a lot about the future of the MCU.
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Since saying "it's failing" cannot be supported by the fact that there are still MCU movies pulling in half to a full million dollars, shifting to "it's failing... but so slowly that I really can't point to anything at the moment," is the new mantra, I guess.

Goal posts. Moved.
 
MK-fan

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MisterPenguin said:
Since saying "it's failing" cannot be supported by the fact that there are still MCU movies pulling in half to a full million dollars, shifting to "it's failing... but so slowly that I really can't point to anything at the moment," is the new mantra, I guess.

Goal posts. Moved.
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First of all I never said it was failing, I said it was dying. Second of all, my “dying” remark has been based off how critically panned and dull the movies have been, which I mentioned in my hits and missed post. I only stated why certain films made a lot of money, I never said “the franchise is still making a bunch of money, this is why it won’t die”, I’m purely stating that the creativeness, surprise factor and overall story arch has been absent. Whoever can’t agree with that, than that’s your problem but me as well as a lot of fans feel the same way I do. Sure, I still have interest in the franchise but i have been disappointed over and over again. The franchise is dying from a creative standpoint, do I have to be so specific about that? Its Marvel, it’s gonna make money regardless but a lot of what made the franchise special is dead and who knows long ppl will put up with it if 1 out of the next 10 movies they put out is a good one.
 
Agent H

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MK-fan said:
First of all I never said it was failing, I said it was dying. Second of all, my “dying” remark has been based off how critically panned and dull the movies have been, which I mentioned in my hits and missed post. I only stated why certain films made a lot of money, I never said “the franchise is still making a bunch of money, this is why it won’t die”, I’m purely stating that the creativeness, surprise factor and overall story arch has been absent. Whoever can’t agree with that, than that’s your problem but me as well as a lot of fans feel the same way I do. Sure, I still have interest in the franchise but i have been disappointed over and over again. The franchise is dying from a creative standpoint, do I have to be so specific about that? Its Marvel, it’s gonna make money regardless but a lot of what made the franchise special is dead and who knows long ppl will put up with it if 1 out of the next 10 movies they put out is a good one.
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The Mcu is as original as it was In the 2010s the movies are somewhat loose adaptations of COMIC BOOKS and always have been
 
MK-fan

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Agent H said:
The Mcu is as original as it was In the 2010s the movies are somewhat loose adaptations of COMIC BOOKS and always have been
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It’s not about being original, it’s about the movies being subpar and not really connecting with the fans. I mean at this point, what is the brand even building towards?
There’s been no overall story arch and most of the recent movies have been confined to their own universe and introducing a bunch of new characters in end credits scenes that will probably never be used again. The first 5 movies we’re building towards The Avengers film. Then you had a lot of films building towards Infinty War and Endgame. Phase 5 and 6 have been dealing with the multiverse but there’s no overall connection between the movies or to other characters setting up some kind of storyline for Avengers Doomsday.
 
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Disney Irish

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MK-fan said:
It’s not about being original, it’s about the movies being subpar and not really connecting with the fans. I mean at this point, what is the brand even building towards?
There’s been no overall story arch and most of the recent movies have been confined to their own universe and introducing a bunch of new characters in end credits scenes that will probably never be used again. The first 5 movies we’re building towards The Avengers film. Then you had a lot of films building towards Infinty War and Endgame. Phase 5 and 6 have been dealing with the multiverse but there’s no overall connection between the movies or to other characters setting up some kind of storyline for Avengers Doomsday.
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Actually this is where you are wrong, the rest of your other posts are all opinion but this is now where you are just plain incorrect. Phases 4-6 are actually building toward something while still introducing new characters (same as they did in Phases 1-3, but they had to pivot when the lead actor that was at the center of what they were building toward got into trouble. And if you know the comics you know exactly what they've been building towards. But instead of recasting they decided to accelerate plans and bring in Doom to be the big bad instead and still get the same results, ie Battleworld and Mutants (X-Men). Heck its not even a spoiler at this point since its in the trailers, Brave New World specifically deals with the introduction of Adamantium and if you know that then you know what its leading towards. And the end credit scene while I won't give it away hints at other things they've been leading towards.

So you may not like what they've put out in Phases 4 and 5 so far, but they have been building toward something even if it hasn't been apparent to you.
 
Disney Irish

Disney Irish

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MK-fan said:
Dying can be a slow process, many franchises have gone through it only to be rebooted sometime after confirming that the interest wasn’t there. Let’s see if these new Avengers films are good or universally panned, that will tell a lot about the future of the MCU.
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Hmm, well its a good thing that its based off comics because in the comics they reboot like every 10-15 years anyways by having a huge battle that resets the universe so it can start anew. So if the MCU is heading for a reboot in the next few Phases, well....., it'll be done as part of the story unlike most other franchises that start over and hope you don't notice or care.
 
Agent H

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TheDisneyParksfanC8 said:
Marvel is an evergreen brand. The Avengers will always be around in some form. I am pretty sure Infinity Defense is designed to be updated to keep up with whatever is current in the MCU.
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The interesting question this brings to mind is do they even need to? If the heroes in the ride are mostly the ones every one knows ie: iron man spider man or Captain America and characters like she-hulk and daredevil are relegated to the background as Easter eggs then I don’t think it will necessarily need to be updated
 

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