It's remarkable some people still don't understand that others know a lot more than they do.
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Without wishing to dig up the old ticket reference, designation is given for more than just ride time.
For the record, the simulator is classed an E. This boat ride a C. It displaced a D.
Designations given by those who designed them, not me.
Having being privied to some things, there is little question that Disney is not getting the most bang for their buck when they build attraction, but hasn't that always been the case?
I was always under the impression that Walt set up WDI and the relationship it had with the Disney Parks so that WDI was his money making machine. Granted, it seems like that has been turned up to 11 as of late, but has disney ever really gotten a good value from WDI?
ABQ
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Would you say they probably had received real value, or at least return on investment from WDI when A-E ticket books were sold vs single carte blanche park admission? At least in ticket books, you knew what folks were paying for, WDI had to make a ride truly match the ticket's perceived value. While today, they could think...meh, they're already paying to get in anyway, who cares if it's C or D?
I would say yes. Or at the very least much better value than today.
Obviously there's exceptions - EPCOT Center's doubling of the original estimate (or was it under estimated to begin with ?) but take for example Orlandos Thundermountain. $17 mil in 1980. Anyway you look at it, it still comes in way lower than the Dwarfs Coaster.
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Value is a very subjective term. If you define it as simply getting your money's worth or producing an ROI then WDI is still a value to this day. It might not be as much of a value as it was in decades past, but they are still turning out beautiful attractions that are clicking the turnstiles. If this is how you define real value, then the answer to your question would be yes.
If we define it as producing an identical product at a competitive price, which it where I fall, then WDI has not been a value in quite a while. If you have 2 identical cars and one sells for $50k and the other sells for $60k, that $60k is not suddenly $10k better. When it comes to WDI of today, I see a lot of Cadillacs being sold at Bentley prices.
like most debates the truth and reality lie somewhere in the middle. The good ole days were never as good as we remember. I have no idea if Disney waste money more so today than in the past. Regardless of what the mouse didnt do from 2005-2012 thats in the past and hopefully the DAK, DHS, and EPCOT remodels live up to the highest expectations
We live in hope but the jury's still out.
It would also depend on what your expectations are.
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i ve told you this before but sometimes i bet it would be nice if you didnt know so much
mickey v-neck
Active Member
It must be truly awful to harbor such negativity. There has never been a more exciting time for the parks and some people will always just be bitter. How sad.
EPCOTCenterLover
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Let me attempt to put this in another perspective for you. For those of us who vaguely remember (or remember!) the Disneyland expansion of 64-69 (Pirates and New Orleans Square, Its a Small World, New Tomorrowland and Haunted Mansion), the ambitious openings of WDW (1971), EPCOT Center (1982) or even the great WDW expansion of 1989 (Disney-MGM Studios, new resorts, Pleasure Island and Typhoon Lagoon), the way the company has handled the Stateside parks the last 15 years has been a huge disappointment. Particularly when all the excellent Imagineering and design has seemed to move overseas. Particularly Asia. Glad things seem to be changing, but a decade and a half of overall stagnancy is not ok for us fans who have seen better.
GoofGoof
Premium Member
Like I said, I'm a realist. I am pretty excited to see all this new stuff year after year, but there was a long period of not much added. I remember visiting WDW just a few years apart back in the 90s and having multiple new things to see. In recent history I had a few trips with 1 or no new things to see. Still great trips and a lot of fun, but there was a serious lack of investment in WDW.
I personally like FLE and I think if it happened between Star Wars and Avatar it would have been much better received. People are down on it for lack of a true e-ticket headliner and since it was the first major addition in a long time that disappointed people. I think if things went in a different order people would be less pessimistic about the additions that didn't have major headliners. Maybe something like this:
- Star Wars with 2 e tickets
- FLE
- Avatar with another e ticket
- Toy Story
- EPCOT with an e ticket replacing Energy and maybe some other additions
These new aerials are a great example of what I said earlier.
Well, yeah. Normally you have people up there who aren't photographers. It helps to know how to use a camera
Rteetz
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Amen to that. Tommy boy must've been using his iPhone or something.
Thing is that people respond to it. Look how Peter Pan was rejuvenated and the wait line dramatically increased when they added an immersive and interactive queue. Look how you can take a kiddie coaster and add immersive theming to the ride and interactivity to the queue and get 7DMT with a two hour stand-by line.
I'm surprised WDW doesn't have a plan to convert all the queues to something immersive and interactive. It's a well-received way to refresh a ride and a lot cheaper than building a new ride.
Now, if they can only do that for the Soarin' queue in a way that actually works and is captivating...
And some might say you're easily pleased. Try being a bit more polite.
Just because someone doesn't think like you do doesn't make them wrong. Or sad.