Alexx
Member
Pretty much this ^ It astounds me that these people seem to complain and complain yet they still go and ride the rides they complain about.
Whatever, I enjoy myself when I go to Disney.
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Are the users on this forum jaded?
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Pretty much this ^ It astounds me that these people seem to complain and complain yet they still go and ride the rides they complain about.
Whatever, I enjoy myself when I go to Disney.
captainkidd
Well-Known Member
Jaded - No.
Spoiled - Yes.
Those of us who have been visiting WDW for a long time know how great it can be. We know the potential. We've seen lots of laziness and cheapness from the company in regards to the place. Not just in the parks - Resorts, DTD, transportation, employees.
I think it's human nature. When you've had the best, you expect it all the time. WDW is my favorite place in the world (what little of it I've seen). I love each and every trip. But I know they could be doing a lot of things better.
Spoiled - Yes.
Those of us who have been visiting WDW for a long time know how great it can be. We know the potential. We've seen lots of laziness and cheapness from the company in regards to the place. Not just in the parks - Resorts, DTD, transportation, employees.
I think it's human nature. When you've had the best, you expect it all the time. WDW is my favorite place in the world (what little of it I've seen). I love each and every trip. But I know they could be doing a lot of things better.
wvdisneyfamily
Well-Known Member
I wouldn't say jaded is the right word. There are few mindsets represented on the boards. You have people that see everything done by Disney as wrong, people that defend Disney to the bitter end, and members that fall somewhere in the middle of those extremes. 90% of us have a pet issue that may make us seem jaded. Things like the Yeti, the Adventurers Club, pool hopping, reusing mugs, beating the parking system, tour groups, overly inflated prices, the dining plan, etc...come up frequently. However, just as frequently you find threads about things we love. For example, there are a dozen picture of the day threads, cast member appreciation threads, scrapbooking threads, photo contests, and many others.
Disney is something for which we feel passion. I'm not sure you can be jaded and passionate about the same thing as jaded and passionate are contradictory. Perhaps the criticisms that make us seem numb to the magic that is Disney come as a result of our expectations. We all wouldn't have come to love Disney so much if it weren't so magical and incredible. When we see something that takes away from what Disney could be, we make notice and discuss it.
OP, good thread for discussion!
Disney is something for which we feel passion. I'm not sure you can be jaded and passionate about the same thing as jaded and passionate are contradictory. Perhaps the criticisms that make us seem numb to the magic that is Disney come as a result of our expectations. We all wouldn't have come to love Disney so much if it weren't so magical and incredible. When we see something that takes away from what Disney could be, we make notice and discuss it.
OP, good thread for discussion!
forevermickey
Well-Known Member
I'm with Master Yoda on this one. How can I begrudge my most fav. place in the world!? So yes I pick and choose my battles which are few to none. WDW holds such a high standard that somethings you think they could give that extra little something... but reality is there is a budget for everything in life and if they went soup to nuts on everything our ticket prices would really increase in price and that would make a big "fuss"
xdan0920
Think for yourselfer
Jaded, No.
Sometimes disappointed, Yes.
Disney World wants to be viewed as the premiere vacation destination in the world. They want to be the best, and so we hold them to the standard they set for themselves. The abandoned pavilions, the broken Yeti, the PI debacle, the Flamingo Crossings disaster. These are things Disney deserves to be criticized for.
I go to Disney minimum once a year, I own DVC, and I love WDW. However, I am not so drunk on pixie dust that I can not see when they do something wrong.
Sometimes disappointed, Yes.
Disney World wants to be viewed as the premiere vacation destination in the world. They want to be the best, and so we hold them to the standard they set for themselves. The abandoned pavilions, the broken Yeti, the PI debacle, the Flamingo Crossings disaster. These are things Disney deserves to be criticized for.
I go to Disney minimum once a year, I own DVC, and I love WDW. However, I am not so drunk on pixie dust that I can not see when they do something wrong.
PhoenixSpirit
Member
This.
My first trip to Florida was in 2002, I last went in October and I'm going again in July. After that, probably about 5 years to my next visit. Disney = an escape from reality, I'm so happy to be there, I don't care about certain things others do. I guess if you go there often, or even a few times a year, you would notice more. But for me, I'm just happy to be back!
Wow this thread got a lot more responses then I thought it would. I would say overall the consensus is people are just trying to hold Disney to a standard they wanted us to hold them to, with a touch of spoiled from some
docandsix
Active Member
It's not black and white...
Really, there are times that it seems clear that the people here feed on one another's negativity, led to criticize everything and anything because so much has been pointed out so often. I even find myself becoming discouraged about the "current state of Walt Disney World" when reading the boards, only to discover that many of the minor details highlighted here never come to my attention when I'm actually wandering the parks in wonder.
On the other hand, much of the magic of Disney lies in the details. This broad observation may reflect what I love most about visiting Walt Disney World--it's different, sublime almost, in its feigned perfection, cleanliness and precision. (The very worst thing about running the marathon is that one is forced to run through backstage areas, destroying this critical illusion.) We all know that nothing in this world is perfect, but the Disney parks are capable of coming so close that when they do, they convey a glimpse of something more, something different than the world in which we live from day to day.
This sound almost sacrilegious, but the writings of C.S. Lewis often portrayed Heaven as little more than the world we already know, but perfected, cleansed, and harmonized. Thus when I walk down Main Street, U.S.A. under the right circumstances, I think I see a faint glimmer of paradise. Without the details, the experience would be vacated such that I'm walking through just another theme park. More obvious flaws, like seeing the yeti neglected for years, slap me directly in the face with that hard reality.
Finally, people who know more than I do assert with conviction that Al Lutz and his "jaded" perspective actually helped force Disney to restore Disneyland (and California Adventure) to its deserved glory after years of neglect. If this board or its contributors can muster such an impact by being jaded, I say more power to all of us.
Really, there are times that it seems clear that the people here feed on one another's negativity, led to criticize everything and anything because so much has been pointed out so often. I even find myself becoming discouraged about the "current state of Walt Disney World" when reading the boards, only to discover that many of the minor details highlighted here never come to my attention when I'm actually wandering the parks in wonder.
On the other hand, much of the magic of Disney lies in the details. This broad observation may reflect what I love most about visiting Walt Disney World--it's different, sublime almost, in its feigned perfection, cleanliness and precision. (The very worst thing about running the marathon is that one is forced to run through backstage areas, destroying this critical illusion.) We all know that nothing in this world is perfect, but the Disney parks are capable of coming so close that when they do, they convey a glimpse of something more, something different than the world in which we live from day to day.
This sound almost sacrilegious, but the writings of C.S. Lewis often portrayed Heaven as little more than the world we already know, but perfected, cleansed, and harmonized. Thus when I walk down Main Street, U.S.A. under the right circumstances, I think I see a faint glimmer of paradise. Without the details, the experience would be vacated such that I'm walking through just another theme park. More obvious flaws, like seeing the yeti neglected for years, slap me directly in the face with that hard reality.
Finally, people who know more than I do assert with conviction that Al Lutz and his "jaded" perspective actually helped force Disney to restore Disneyland (and California Adventure) to its deserved glory after years of neglect. If this board or its contributors can muster such an impact by being jaded, I say more power to all of us.
nepalostparks
Well-Known Member
As I said in my post, I was looking at the majority of customers in either case. For you specifically, a more direct comparison may make sense for your particular case. But I still feel for a majority of consumers, the two destinations are not competing for the same dollar.
Indeed, that's my point. But let me be clear - as a fan, I don't think it's right. Like many, I wish the same amount of care and consideration (i.e. dollars) was going into the attractions, shows, parades, and sets at Walt Disney World like it seems to be going into Disneyland. But I understand, from a purely business and bottom-line sense why it doesn't.
And I agree, pointing this fact out does not make someone "jaded" (or whatever term you feels fits best under the context) on its own. But the failure to understand the difference between the two resorts and in general, the two different sets of consumers (some cases like yours excluded), coupled with the constant complaining by some users no matter what happens in Walt Disney World... that I think leads people like the original poster to view some of the members here as "jaded."
KingdomofDreams
Well-Known Member
I agree with this comment and the others who have expressed similar thoughts. A few are a bit jaded, but the vast majority posting here love Disney, are truly concerned, and express their disappointment and frustration (sometimes maybe too passionately) when they see standards slipping.
The beauty and magic of Disney parks is absolutely in the details. All those thousands of seemingly insignificant details combined together make the Disney experience what it is. A few things here and there may not make a noticeable difference to most park guests, but add more and more, and discerning guests begin to notice. Enough things added together become glaringly apparent to most guests and diminishes the magical experience we all love so much.
Martian Crab
New Member
I concur.
Users on this forum may or may not be jaded, but several of them do appear to have bowel issues.....
Wilt Dasney
Well-Known Member
Somebody had to do it...
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Minnie1976
Well-Known Member
No, I don't think the people on the boards are jaded. We expect all parts of the attractions to work like they did when we 1st started going. I think Disney has expanded so much that they have let the little things slide. Unfortunately, people who love Disney and have been many times notice these little things. I think the people who have been to Disney a lot expect Disney perfection and in some cases it isn't there anymore.
wvdisneyfamily
Well-Known Member
When I was an Orlandoan, I was definitely jaded. I used my AP over 300x per year and would about everything (see D-Troops).
I left Orlando, Florida, and the US altogether in 2007. I limited my exposure to the Disney parks on purpose, since as a fan, living so close to the parks, and going there so often since my childhood had made it hard for me to relate to others. They would about taxes, and I didn't understand why, just like they didn't understand why I despise (or even care about) Stitch's Great Escape.
When I left, I was actually worried about what to do for entertainment.
Anyway, like I said, I started to limit my trips. No more than 3 days at a time, and there must be another non-Disney purpose to the trip (usually conventions). After a while, I realized something. I WAS JADED! I realized it on my first trip back, when suddenly I didn't care about things that previously bothered me. I actually enjoyed the parks for what they were, rather than gripe about what they had been!
So yes, many of the people here are jaded, even if they can't admit it.
I left Orlando, Florida, and the US altogether in 2007. I limited my exposure to the Disney parks on purpose, since as a fan, living so close to the parks, and going there so often since my childhood had made it hard for me to relate to others. They would about taxes, and I didn't understand why, just like they didn't understand why I despise (or even care about) Stitch's Great Escape.
When I left, I was actually worried about what to do for entertainment.
Anyway, like I said, I started to limit my trips. No more than 3 days at a time, and there must be another non-Disney purpose to the trip (usually conventions). After a while, I realized something. I WAS JADED! I realized it on my first trip back, when suddenly I didn't care about things that previously bothered me. I actually enjoyed the parks for what they were, rather than gripe about what they had been!
So yes, many of the people here are jaded, even if they can't admit it.
Enchantâmes
Active Member
I used to be cynical when it came to the WDW, but then I moved on to better things like Disneyland.