Are people getting used to life without Disneyland?

[George Lucas on a Bench]

Yeah, I mean, let's face it, if we're on this forum, aside from the Shut It Downers, we like Disneyland being open.

 

[planodisney]

I truly believe this is the beginning of a lengthy exodus from California. The Corporations and businesses that have moved from California to Texas and other locals in the last couple months is jaw dropping. Taxes and cost of living is a factor but it’s the larger issue of realizing the government of the state they live in has no problem completely controlling every aspect of their businesses and lives and won’t give back that newly discovered/gained power going forward. Governments RARELY give back power. It’s obvious they will be using this power in the future for any/every threat going forward.
Climate, disease, wildfires, natural disasters, eventual over population.
It’s not just businesses. We don’t have signs all over Texas reading, “Don’t California my Texas” for no reason. A popular phrase before the election was “to all our California friends, welcome, but please remember you are a refuge, not an explorer.” The type of businesses and people moving out are the movers and shakers and doers and creators and innovators
that make California what it is.
The problem, as I see it, isn’t that California is a Democrat state, it’s that California is a state with completely unchecked liberal power with no viable opposition. Yes Texas is a Republican state, but we have a very strong middle and healthy Democrat constituency. In fact the state legislature is not right wing. It’s very center/right. California desperately needs a center/right healthy movement.

 

[planodisney]

The reason I posted above was because I truly don’t believe Disneyland will ever return to its prior existence. How can they when Disney knows the state can do this to them any time they want. Why would they continue to invest heavily in that location? I couldn’t invest in ANY BUSINESS in California for many years.

 

[Stevek]

I truly believe this is the beginning of a lengthy exodus from California. The Corporations and businesses that have moved from California to Texas and other locals in the last couple months is jaw dropping. Taxes and cost of living is a factor but it’s the larger issue of realizing the government of the state they live in has no problem completely controlling every aspect of their businesses and lives and won’t give back that newly discovered/gained power going forward. Governments RARELY give back power. It’s obvious they will be using this power in the future for any/every threat going forward.
Climate, disease, wildfires, natural disasters, eventual over population.
It’s not just businesses. We don’t have signs all over Texas reading, “Don’t California my Texas” for no reason. A popular phrase before the election was “to all our California friends, welcome, but please remember you are a refuge, not an explorer.” The type of businesses and people moving out are the movers and shakers and doers and creators and innovators
that make California what it is.
The problem, as I see it, isn’t that California is a Democrat state, it’s that California is a state with completely unchecked liberal power with no viable opposition. Yes Texas is a Republican state, but we have a very strong middle and healthy Democrat constituency. In fact the state legislature is not right wing. It’s very center/right. California desperately needs a center/right healthy movement.

Not sure how this has anything to do with the topic. This is why we continue to get topics tagged “politics”.

 

[el_super]

I truly believe this is the beginning of a lengthy exodus from California.

Only responding to the part that loosely pertains to this thread: No, there will be no massive exodus from California. People have been saying this will happen for decades now, and it hasn't. Market forces will prevail, and even if enough people actually did leave California, the only result would be a lowering of housing prices that would encourage people to stay.

All that is to say that, if enough people actually did leave California, maybe Disneyland would be slightly more tolerable crowd wise. Maybe.

 

[mharrington]

According to an article from MSNBC, it was argued that one should not travel even after getting the vaccine. I thought that was the point of the vaccine, so we could go back to normal. I thought there was a light at the end of the tunnel. I guess not. It certainly would not bode well for Disneyland reopening.

 

[Californian Elitist]

Not sure how this has anything to do with the topic. This is why we continue to get topics tagged “politics”.

People LOVE to come at California, especially those who don’t live here, even when the conversation has nothing to do with politics. Some can’t help themselves. I honestly believe it’s because California is a huge, popular state with the biggest population (but everyone’s leaving California!!) and is well-known. People probably feel they have to justify why they don’t live here and why their state is better.

That’s why we have responses like the ones above. The original question asked if we are getting used to the closure of Disneyland. Yet somehow, California vs. Texas gets brought up and extremes are mentioned, such as Disney won’t be investing in Anaheim or California in general anymore, despite it being the location of the original Disney park that sees millions of guests per year, among other things.

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

It would probably be wise to not invest in California parks for a long time considering the state has already established they will shut it down for health and safety reasons and force the layoff of thousands of workers for up to a year or longer. The place is bleeding money and may not recover for a long time. Maybe with different leadership in the state, less regulation. Many people believe this will all end if and when Covid does, but some aren't as optimistic.

 

[Darkbeer1]

Only responding to the part that loosely pertains to this thread: No, there will be no massive exodus from California. People have been saying this will happen for decades now, and it hasn't. Market forces will prevail, and even if enough people actually did leave California, the only result would be a lowering of housing prices that would encourage people to stay.

All that is to say that, if enough people actually did leave California, maybe Disneyland would be slightly more tolerable crowd wise. Maybe.

Wildfires and Cost of Living Fuel Mass California Exodus (msn.com)

>>The state lost an estimated 653,000 residents last year alone, as many Californians head to Texas, Arizona, Washington, Nevada and Oregon. There are many reasons Juliana and Jack Fitzpatrick have packed up their family’s life in Los Angeles, California to move to Arizona. They’re getting more square footage, a more suburban environment, and more opportunities for their daughter, all for the same income, the couple told Inside Edition. Celebrities are also leaving California at a new pace.<<

Mass Exodus of New York and California as Financial Companies and Wealthy Flee! – Investment Watch (investmentwatchblog.com)

Flight of the Icons | City Journal (city-journal.org)

>>
It’s hard to say the word “innovation” and not think of California. Technology has paced the state’s growth in everything from agriculture and oil to housing, entertainment, and aerospace. California has always been the harbinger of the American future, the promise of ever-greater economic and social progress.

Yet increasingly, many of today’s innovators are fleeing the state. This past week, one half of the company arguably most symbolic of tech development in the state—Hewlett Packard Enterprises—one part of the now broken-up old Hewlett Packard and focused on lucrative areas like cloud computing and IT infrastructure—decided to leave for Houston. Within a week Elon Musk, the latest in the line of truly transformative California tech entrepreneurs, also announced that he would move to Texas, along with Oracle, a Fortune 100 company and global leader in database management. Other recent departures also include more traditional firms as Charles Schwab, McKesson, Bechtel, Parsons Engineering, and CB Richard Ellis.

The corporate exodus accompanies a human one. The state’s population, notes demographer Wendell , is now virtually stagnant, with more people leaving and fewer people coming. Millennials, particularly as they ponder family formation (as we recently demonstrated in a report from Heartland Forward), are following a similar pattern. Today, suggests , California, once the ultimate land of youth, is now aging far faster than the rest of nation.

Until the past year, Silicon Valley seemed immune to the economic stagnation or decline afflicting other key state industries such as aerospace, manufacturing, and energy. “We were fat and happy,” notes Jim Wunderman, president and CEO of the Bay Area Council, the region’s leading business group. “Now people are shaking their heads. HPE’s moving sends the message from one of the core founders of Silicon Valley. It’s very troubling.”<<

 

[lazyboy97o]

According to an article from MSNBC, it was argued that one should not travel even after getting the vaccine. I thought that was the point of the vaccine, so we could go back to normal. I thought there was a light at the end of the tunnel. I guess not. It certainly would not bode well for Disneyland reopening.

If you are going to comment on article you should provide a link so others can read it for themselves. We don’t know any context or if it is a comment from a qualified source.

There are a number of reasons why someone would suggest people still wait to travel after vaccination. The approved Pfizer vaccine, the Moderna vaccine being reviewed today and several other candidates are all two shot vaccines with some erroneously referring to the second dose as a booster, implying it is not necessary. There is concern about making sure people get the second dose. A person who has received the first dose might believe they are immune.

Second, immunity is not immediate. The full immunity comes several days after the second dose.

Third, and probably the most important in the near term while vaccinations are low and cases are high, is that the ability of an inoculated person to spread SARS-CoV-2 has not been studied and is not known. Being vaccinated will reduce how much the virus replicates in your body but it is not know how much a vaccinated person can shed and if it is enough to infect another person.

 

[Haymarket]

I'm curious what NIMBY-coddling Anaheim council-members are thinking now. Irrational obstructionists.

 

[el_super]

The corporate exodus accompanies a human one. The state’s population, notes demographer Wendell ***, is now virtually stagnant, with more people leaving and fewer people coming.

Most of those statistics only look at migrations and not births.

California will be fine. There are certainly days when I wish fewer people were living here, but it hasn't happened yet, and probably won't.

I just looked it up and when Disneyland opened, the population of California was 13.13 million (weird right?).

 

[Stevek]

Most of those statistics only look at migrations and not births.

California will be fine. There are certainly days when I wish fewer people were living here, but it hasn't happened yet, and probably won't.

I just looked it up and when Disneyland opened, the population of California was 13.13 million (weird right?).

I would have zero issues if people left the state though I doubt that will cure any of the ills here i.e. high cost of living. We'd have to have millions leave for the cost of living and home prices to drop significantly.

 

[Californian Elitist]

For those who have not taken well to the closing of Disneyland, what have you been doing to suffice? I know some folks have been going to DtD. What else?

 

[Stevek]

For those who have not taken well to the closing of Disneyland, what have you been doing to suffice? I know some folks have been going to DtD. What else?

I'm also interested in this answer. For some, not necessarily here, it is as if their world has ended. I can imagine folks watching hours of endless youtube ride videos to help them "get by" during this difficult time. I hope it's caused some to broaden their horizons a bit.

 

[Californian Elitist]

I'm also interested in this answer. For some, not necessarily here, it is as if their world has ended. I can imagine folks watching hours of endless youtube ride videos to help them "get by" during this difficult time. I hope it's caused some to broaden their horizons a bit.

Exactly. I haven’t seen any evidence of the extreme here, but I was curious. I assume that the extremes out there are booking multiple trips to WDW, or year, watching videos of the park.

I do think visits to DtD are helpful for the purposes of getting some sort of fix.

 

[mickEblu]

For those who have not taken well to the closing of Disneyland, what have you been doing to suffice? I know some folks have been going to DtD. What else?

I bought my first video game console since 1996. An Occulus VR Quest 2. It’s pretty cool how it can transport you somewhere else. It’s more of a novelty item though. I’ve owned it for maybe 6 weeks and have maybe played 3 hours total. I’ve spent an equal amount of time letting family/ guests play it. You can find VR videos for almost any location world wide and feel like you re there. Unfortunately, many of the VR videos are grainy or at least look that way on the Occulus. So my hack is just finding a good 4K video and curving the screen. Feels like you are in an IMAX. That’s what I’ve been doing for the DLR Ride through videos.

 

[Stevek]

Exactly. I haven’t seen any evidence of the extreme here, but I was curious. I assume that the extremes out there are booking multiple trips to WDW, or year, watching videos of the park.

I do think visits to DtD are helpful for the purposes of getting some sort of fix.

We've gone to DtD twice, once when it opened and again on 12/5. It really wasn't what I would consider an enjoyable experience...If there was any need to get a Disney fix, it didn't do anything for me. That being said, I'm sure it works for many folks out there.

 

[Californian Elitist]

I bought my first video game console since 1996. An Occulus VR Quest 2. It’s pretty cool how it can transport you somewhere else. It’s more of a novelty item though. I’ve owned it for maybe 6 weeks and have maybe played 3 hours total. I’ve spent an equal amount of time letting family/ guests play it. You can find VR videos for almost any location world wide and feel like you re there. Unfortunately, many of the VR videos are grainy or at least look that way on the Occulus. So my hack is just finding a good 4K video and curving the screen. Feels like you are in an IMAX. That’s what I’ve been doing for the DLR Ride through videos.

Always a good option! My brother has one, but I’ve never tried his out. Might have to do that soon.

We've gone to DtD twice, once when it opened and again on 12/5. It really wasn't what I would consider an enjoyable experience...If there was any need to get a Disney fix, it didn't do anything for me. That being said, I'm sure it works for many folks out there.

Was it crowded? Or was it just the entire experience in general? I imagine that if crowds are manageable, you can grab something to eat, and walk around a bit, it wouldn’t be too bad.

Have you gone into DCA since it “reopened?”

 

[mickEblu]

We've gone to DtD twice, once when it opened and again on 12/5. It really wasn't what I would consider an enjoyable experience...If there was any need to get a Disney fix, it didn't do anything for me. That being said, I'm sure it works for many folks out there.

It kind of scratched the itch when food and drinks where available. The last trip was just ridiculous.

Then again it’s not really scratching the Disney parks itch as much as it is just something to do.