Anaheim GardenWalk Development Status report - 10/17/2017

[TROR]

Okay, you jogged my memory that they did indeed changed those elements you mentioned in the south. Nonetheless, they are proposing additional more elaborate changes.

You mean like enclosing the carousel? While we are getting that, what we're getting is nothing like what was planned, and likely would have gotten had management not changed.

I'm not sure why you're acting as if the old management who redid DCA in 2012 and the current management responsible for Mission Breakout and Pixar Pier are the same management, but they're not. One was ran by Staggs, this one ran by Chapek. They're two different people with two different goals in mind for the parks.

 

[DanielBB8]

You mean like enclosing the carousel? While we are getting that, what we're getting is nothing like what was planned, and likely would have gotten had management not changed.

I'm not sure why you're acting as if the old management who redid DCA in 2012 and the current management responsible for Mission Breakout and Pixar Pier are the same management, but they're not. One was ran by Staggs, this one ran by Chapek. They're two different people with two different goals in mind for the parks.

First, I didn’t say anything about Management. I referred to Disney.

Second, whatever was planned, it didn’t happen. So whatever angle you’re trying to argue, 1. There’s nothing to undo. 2. It isn’t currently elaborate.

 

[TROR]

First, I didn’t say anything about Management. I referred to Disney.

Disney is defined by its management. They're one in the same.

Second, whatever was planned, it didn’t happen. So whatever angle you’re trying to argue, 1. There’s nothing to undo. 2. It isn’t currently elaborate.

It was more in reference to what DisneyIrishGuy said about them having a singular plan for Paradise Pier which is clearly not true.

They do have a singular plan, add Pixar and Marvel to the park. It may not be the singular plan you like, but it is a singular plan.

 

[Disney Irish]

Disney is defined by its management. They're one in the same.



It was more in reference to what DisneyIrishGuy said about them having a singular plan for Paradise Pier which is clearly not true.

The singular plan I'm referring to is the plan for the entire park, not one specific area. The singular plan for all of DCA is to add Pixar and Marvel. Each individual land will get treatments based on what management decides at the time. As to whether you want to call changing the direction of an individual land flip-flopping, I think as DanielBB8 indicated, it was never completed anyways.

 

[TROR]

The singular plan I'm referring to is the plan for the entire park, not one specific area. The singular plan for all of DCA is to add Pixar and Marvel.

How can you possibly say Marvel was the end game for DCA when they began to remodel the park in 2007 when Disney bought Marvel in 2009? Not until Chapek took over the Parks and Resorts was Marvel ever planned for DCA.[/QUOTE]

 

[Disney Irish]

How can you possibly say Marvel was the end game for DCA when they began to remodel the park in 2007 when Disney bought Marvel in 2009? Not until Chapek took over the Parks and Resorts was Marvel ever planned for DCA.

By all reports Marvel has been planned for DCA since just after the acquisition. It was the execution that was unknown and kept getting delayed.

So the singular focus, since 2012 especially, has been to add more Pixar and to add Marvel into DCA.

 

[DanielBB8]

How can you possibly say Marvel was the end game for DCA when they began to remodel the park in 2007 when Disney bought Marvel in 2009? Not until Chapek took over the Parks and Resorts was Marvel ever planned for DCA.

Marvel won’t be the end game when Disney just purchased Fox. Seriously, Disney clearly has plans for Marvel in DCA.

 

[TROR]

By all reports Marvel has been planned for DCA since just after the acquisition. It was the execution that was unknown and kept getting delayed.

So the singular focus, since 2012 especially, has been to add more Pixar and to add Marvel into DCA.

Disney's plan has involved including more Disney characters in DCA, but never was its plan to replace Paradise Pier with Pixar Pier until Chapek took over. A lot of these changes that are driven by nothing but forcing in an IP are the decision of Chapek and were never part of Staggs' plan.

 

[Disney Irish]

Disney's plan has involved including more Disney characters in DCA, but never was its plan to replace Paradise Pier with Pixar Pier until Chapek took over. A lot of these changes that are driven by nothing but forcing in an IP are the decision of Chapek and were never part of Staggs' plan.

The character focus that has been pushed is primarily Pixar in DCA, with very few exceptions. And it can be said that with the start of adding Midway Mania into the pier it was the start of the Pixar take over.

So if you want to blame Chapek for this current IP push, fine thats your prerogative. But it was happening long before he ever took over the position.

 

[TROR]

So if you want to blame Chapek for this current IP push, fine thats your prerogative. But it was happening long before he ever took over the position.

Yeah, it's been happening since Eisner. Eisner didn't replace Big Thunder Mountain with Star Wars, though.

 

[Disney Irish]

Yeah, it's been happening since Eisner. Eisner didn't replace Big Thunder Mountain with Star Wars, though.

No not Big Thunder, but he did replace Adventure Thru Inner Space with Star Wars in the form of Star Tours.

 

[TROR]

No not Big Thunder, but he did replace Adventure Thru Inner Space with Star Wars in the form of Star Tours.

ATIS, a 20 year old attraction that's only note of quality was Paul Frees's narration, needed to be replaced. Seriously I don't get the excitement over this attraction. I love edutainment and dark rides, but from everything I've seen this attraction was just so poor.

 

[DanielBB8]

Disney is defined by its management. They're one in the same.

Yes so why the need to distinguish between Staggs and Chapek when both must answer to Iger and Iger fired Staggs, thus Chapek carries out Iger’s orders. Plus Iger was once the under Eisner who hired the reviled Pressler. One and the same. DCA’s plans are pretty much as expected if you follow the CEO instead of the VPs.

 

[TROR]

Yes so why the need to distinguish between Staggs and Chapek when both must answer to Iger and Iger fired Staggs, thus Chapek carries out Iger’s orders. Plus Iger was once the under Eisner who hired the reviled Pressler. One and the same. DCA’s plans are pretty much as expected if you follow the CEO instead of the VPs.

Because Iger isn't 100% invested in the Parks and Resorts. That was Staggs's and is Chapek's job.

 

[DanielBB8]

Because Iger isn't 100% invested in the Parks and Resorts. That was Staggs's and is Chapek's job.

They announced billions for the parks. That’s not enough evidence? Just because you don’t like IPs, it isn’t evidence. Chapek is doing quite well. Sorry, I just don’t see how Chapek is a detriment. The reviled Guardians turned out quite well.

 

[TROR]

The reviled Guardians turned out quite well.

LOL. Aight, now I know you're just messing with me. No reason to keep talking to someone who thinks Mission Breakout turned out well. Lmao.

 

[DanielBB8]

LOL. Aight, now I know you're just messing with me. No reason to keep talking to someone who thinks Mission Breakout turned out well. Lmao.

I know now that I struck a nerve. Enjoying this.

 

[Phroobar]

ATIS, a 20 year old attraction that's only note of quality was Paul Frees's narration, needed to be replaced. Seriously I don't get the excitement over this attraction. I love edutainment and dark rides, but from everything I've seen this attraction was just so poor.

That attraction was a walk on and a didn't take ANY tickets. it was free! I always wondered as a kid where all of those people were that I see miniaturized in the telescope. I must have just missed a big crowd.

Also Disneyland was not hip. It needed something from the people that gave us huge blockbusters in order to stay relative. Disneyland was dying. Space Mountain and Star Tours helped bring people back.

 

[EPCOTCenterLover]

"ATIS, a 20 year old attraction that's only note of quality was Paul Frees's narration, needed to be replaced. Seriously I don't get the excitement over this attraction. I love edutainment and dark rides, but from everything I've seen this attraction was just so poor."

ATIS had old school charm, storytelling and great music to go with that narration.

 

[TROR]

I know now that I struck a nerve. Enjoying this.