Anaheim GardenWalk Development Status report - 10/17/2017

[Phroobar]

"ATIS, a 20 year old attraction that's only note of quality was Paul Frees's narration, needed to be replaced. Seriously I don't get the excitement over this attraction. I love edutainment and dark rides, but from everything I've seen this attraction was just so poor."

ATIS had old school charm, storytelling and great music to go with that narration.

Aaah. No. Sorry. It didn't.

 

[EPCOTCenterLover]

Sorry, I disagree! But that is what makes these boards fun!

 

[Curious Constance]

Mission Breakout did turn out fun. And me and my kids rode it and had a lot of fun. But you know what? The same could be said for Tower of Terror. And that's my beef with these IP redo's. They are adding nothing to the parks, and they are detracting from bigger and better possibilities simply to sell more stuff.

 

[TROR]

Mission Breakout did turn out fun. And me and my kids rode it and had a lot of fun. But you know what? The same could be said for Tower of Terror. And that's my beef with these IP redo's. They are adding nothing to the parks, and they are detracting from bigger and better possibilities simply to sell more stuff.

Tower of Terror was more than just fun, as well. It was beautiful, haunting, immersive, and most of all it told a great story. The only positive I've ever heard with MB is that it's fun and has a cool AA, but there were always so many positives applied to its predecessor that it's shocking people think MB "turned out well." I guess that's what happens when people except a 0/10 and get a 2/10 instead.

 

[Disney Irish]

ATIS, a 20 year old attraction that's only note of quality was Paul Frees's narration, needed to be replaced. Seriously I don't get the excitement over this attraction. I love edutainment and dark rides, but from everything I've seen this attraction was just so poor.

Point was that you said he didn't replace X with Y, but in fact he did it was just a different X. Whether you believe X was worthy of being replaced is beside the point.

Tower of Terror was more than just fun, as well. It was beautiful, haunting, immersive, and most of all it told a great story. The only positive I've ever heard with MB is that it's fun and has a cool AA, but there were always so many positives applied to its predecessor that it's shocking people think MB "turned out well." I guess that's what happens when people except a 0/10 and get a 2/10 instead.

Have you even been on it? You always speak of MB as if you've only seen videos or listened to others experiences but never have had your own.

 

[Mouse Trap]

Point was that you said he didn't replace X with Y, but in fact he did. Whether you believe X was worthy of being replaced is beside the point.



Have you even been on it? You always speak of MB as if you've only seen videos or listened to others experiences but never have had your own.

Go on the ride, listen and watch the reactions of all the guests around you. That's how you know it's a hit.

 

[Disney Irish]

Go on the ride, listen and watch the reactions of all the guests around you. That's how you know it's a hit.

Yep, and by all those accounts its a hit...

 

[DanielBB8]

The only positive I've ever heard with MB is that it's fun and has a cool AA, but there were always so many positives applied to its predecessor that it's shocking people think MB "turned out well." I guess that's what happens when people except a 0/10 and get a 2/10 instead.

Sounds like you didn’t ride it.

 

[TROR]

Point was that you said he didn't replace X with Y, but in fact he did it was just a different X. Whether you believe X was worthy of being replaced is beside the point.

Improving the park for guests' experience vs replacing a beloved attraction in order to sell movie tickets. They're vastly different things.

Have you even been on it? You always speak of MB as if you've only seen videos or listened to others experiences but never have had your own.

Yeah lemme just spend over $100 to go ride an attraction that I can see with my own two eyes is garbage. I don't need to ride MB to know I dislike screen based attractions, that its story is awful, and it is anywhere near the level of intrigue as Tower of Terror was for me.

Sounds like you didn’t ride it.

I also haven't ridden Superstar Limo, seen the original Country Bear Jamboree in person, or experienced Fantasmic at WDW. Do I need to do any of those things, though, to say Superstar Limo is ugly and out of tone with what Disney provides, that CBJ is another showcasing of Marc Davis's wit and creativity, or that the Peter Pan segment and dragon in Disneyland's Fantasmic is better than WDW's Pocahontas segment and dragon? No, I do not.

 

[Disney Irish]

Improving the park for guests' experience vs replacing a beloved attraction in order to sell movie tickets. They're vastly different things.

You state that like they are mutually exclusive, they are not. If the guest experience was diminished as you have indicated then why are attendance numbers up? Clearly those that go enjoy the experiences that are offered otherwise they wouldn't spend money.

Yeah lemme just spend over $100 to go ride an attraction that I can see with my own two eyes is garbage. I don't need to ride MB to know I dislike screen based attractions, that its story is awful, and it is anywhere near the level of intrigue as Tower of Terror was for me.

So you formulate an opinion about something without even trying it. Its like you specifically just want to hate it because of what it replaced. You do know that you can enjoy something while still lamenting the change.

Also you are spending the money not to only go on MB but to also enjoy the rest of the parks. If you were only spending money to go on only MB then yeah I would say its not worth it as well.

Point is, go, try it, keep an open mind. Allow yourself to enjoy it.

 

[DanielBB8]

I also haven't ridden Superstar Limo, seen the original Country Bear Jamboree in person, or experienced Fantasmic at WDW. Do I need to do any of those things, though, to say Superstar Limo is ugly and out of tone with what Disney provides, that CBJ is another showcasing of Marc Davis's wit and creativity, or that the Peter Pan segment and dragon in Disneyland's Fantasmic is better than WDW's Pocahontas segment and dragon? No, I do not.

This has everything to do with your unwarranted attacks on Chapek and you’re not making your case. Every single ride, show, and attraction that you mentioned, I went on. You have even less credibility now.

 

[Curious Constance]

Yep, and by all those accounts its a hit...

My point is that by those same accounts it was a hit previously too. So why change it? Why not build a new Guardians of the Galaxy ride?

 

[Disney Irish]

My point is that by those same accounts it was a hit previously too. So why change it? Why not build a new Guardians of the Galaxy ride?

Not to rehash all the previous GotG discussions. But the change was about 1. location and 2. get a Marvel attraction in the door after languishing in design hell for several years. This would and does allow them the time to form a larger scale plan with the areas surrounding GotG.

Sometimes things are just as simple as, Location Location Location....

 

[TROR]

You state that like they are mutually exclusive, they are not. If the guest experience was diminished as you have indicated then why are attendance numbers up?

It's an iconic park that has a reputation for being the best even when it's not that allows it to survive on name brand alone.

So you formulate an opinion about something without even trying it. Its like you specifically just want to hate it because of what it replaced.

Nope.

Also you are spending the money not to only go on MB but to also enjoy the rest of the parks. If you were only spending money to go on only MB then yeah I would say its not worth it as well.

Point is, go, try it, keep an open mind. Allow yourself to enjoy it.

What rest of the park?

You have even less credibility now.

I'm sure those who write for the Disney Parks Blog also have been on all those attractions. Unfortunately, they don't have any credibility either.

 

[Disney Irish]

It's an iconic park that has a reputation for being the best even when it's not that allows it to survive on name brand alone.

Its an iconic park that has been literally changing since the day it opened. If the changes fall flat on their face, they close it and change it again. Somethings change because of age, or some change for, the simple case of ToT to GotG, location.

Point is the park will always change, somethings will always be there, but not everything is protected. Change is inevitable in life, embrace it.

Nope.



What rest of the park?

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I'm sure those who write for the Disney Parks Blog also have been on all those attractions. Unfortunately, they don't have any credibility either.

That is now as of Jan 2018. GotG has been open 6 months now. There has been plenty of opportunity to experience it as well as other areas of the parks when everything was opened. So don't use the current attractions being closed as an excuse for why you haven't experienced the parks.

So while you can deny it, you are purposely hating because they changed an attraction that you had a strong emotional connection. That is fine, again its your prerogative, but own it don't deny it.

 

[DanielBB8]

My point is that by those same accounts it was a hit previously too. So why change it? Why not build a new Guardians of the Galaxy ride?

Because it was a bigger hit. Prior to the makeover, TZ was getting 45 minutes waits while Radiator Springs Racers gets 120 minutes waits. Now, MB and RSR are typically even at 60 minutes waits. Essentially, this means you’re likely to visit both attractions than missing out on one. I thank Disney for making it possible to visit RSR since more guests are willing to ride MB.

 

[Disney Irish]

Because it was a bigger hit. Prior to the makeover, TZ was getting 45 minutes waits while Radiator Springs Racers gets 120 minutes waits. Now, MB and RSR are typically even at 60 minutes waits. Essentially, this means you’re likely to visit both attractions than missing out on one. I thank Disney for making it possible to visit RSR since more guests are willing to ride MB.

And most of that 45 min was artificial because they didn't run all 3 shafts all the time. If they ran all 3 shafts all the time the wait would be closer to 20 mins or less constantly. There were many times when it was walk-on during the middle of the day when I went.

 

[Curious Constance]

Because it was a bigger hit. Prior to the makeover, TZ was getting 45 minutes waits while Radiator Springs Racers gets 120 minutes waits. Now, MB and RSR are typically even at 60 minutes waits. Essentially, this means you’re likely to visit both attractions than missing out on one. I thank Disney for making it possible to visit RSR since more guests are willing to ride MB.

So they decided to change a popular attraction into a Marvel IP because they new it was going to be a bigger hit? Wouldn't a brand new attraction have been better since then you'd have a third ride on top of the other two already pulling large lines? And your average wait times are nothing more than you're own experience. Not factual data that we can discuss, so I'm disregarding those comments. We've already been told from my favorite insider that Disney was less than thrilled with the performance of the new version when you didn't count APs in the mix. Straight up no one but APs were flocking to see the new ride, and why should they? It's the same ride with a new outfit.

 

[TROR]

That is now as of Jan 2018. GotG has been open 6 months now. There has been plenty of opportunity to experience it as well as other areas of the parks when everything was opened. So don't use the current attractions being closed as an excuse for why you haven't experienced the parks.

Those could still all be open and I wouldn't feel the extra cost to visit DCA would be worth it, even with a parkhopper.

So while you can deny it, you are purposely hating because they changed an attraction that you had a strong emotional connection. That is fine, again its your prerogative, but own it don't deny it.

I'll continue to deny it for as long as it is false. This could've replaced WDS's Tower and I'd have the same feelings. Look at PotC in Shanghai, despite stellar reviews from people, what I see is a bunch of movie screens with low quality CGI projected on them. That ride didn't replace anything and I still think it looks terrible.

 

[mickEblu]

Tower of Terror was more than just fun, as well. It was beautiful, haunting, immersive, and most of all it told a great story. The only positive I've ever heard with MB is that it's fun and has a cool AA, but there were always so many positives applied to its predecessor that it's shocking people think MB "turned out well." I guess that's what happens when people except a 0/10 and get a 2/10 instead.

Agree with everything here except for that TOT told a great story.