Al Lutz says Fantasyland Budget has been "Reduced"

jt04

Well-Known Member
Disneyland is getting:

Star Tours 2
Redone & expanded DCA
Restored Rivers of America
Captain EO brought back for limited run
Next gen Hatbox Ghost
Tinkerbell dark ride
upgraded fantasmic

Walt Disney World is getting:

underfunded fantasyland redo

I wish I could see JT's face on September 12th. :ROFLOL:


I heard WDW is getting something called Epcot and Animal Kingdom.

If WDW brings back Captain EO, I would boycott the park for as long as it was there.

Are you saying WDW is not getting LM and ST2?

Just want to have you on the record since you also told us nothing new was coming to the MK for at least 5 years and your sources said the TL skyway station wasn't going anywhere. :lol:
 

jt04

Well-Known Member
I completely disagree that the leaked plans never gained traction. Just about every source I consider to be reliable has stated that they believe the blueprints to be real or based on real blue prints. It seems really unlikely that they are a hoax at this point.

What we don't know is what Disney had in mind for the blueprints. There's a lot of unkowns here. But to say that any report that involves the fantasy land expansion should automatically be discredited is just throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

Also, I suspect that if Al had reported that Disney had doubled the budget for the project rather than reduced it, you would be reacting very differently.

No, I just don't believe anything Al says about WDW. He has no credibility on the subject. None. He does have an agenda when it comes to WDW however.
 

HMF

Well-Known Member
I'm sorry, but I'm getting this humorous picture in my mind of Jay unveiling beautiful new art for the new TLM ride at WDW and having tomatos thrown at it and 'boos' coming from the crowd. :lol:
To anyone who is going 'Please be corteous to Mr. Rasulo so you don't re-enforce negative stereotypes about Disney Fans. (I know it sounds odd coming out of me.):animwink:
 

lebeau

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
No, I just don't believe anything Al says about WDW. He has no credibility on the subject. None. He does have an agenda when it comes to WDW however.

I agree with you about Al to a point. He seems to have an agenda. So, I don't put much stock in his opinion when he offers it. When he calls WDW "stale" I just ignore it. But when he presents "insider info" about what is or is not coming to FL he's usually right. So, I pay attention to that.

Plus, he's not the only one saying this is legit.
 

Buried20KLeague

Well-Known Member
Thank you. I see I'm making my point clear.

This entire rumor is pathetic so naturally anything that follows would be less than credible.

That is the point. At least that is what the anonymous blogger said the bus driver's cousin's bookie claims.

HA! :lol::lol::lol:

So... Let me get this straight.

FL plans get leaked. You, along with many others, wet their pants. To the point of embarassment. You start talking about how great this is going to be. You start talking about the detail (even though it was a blueprint with absolutely NO detail). WDW is getting the attention you said was on the way all along. You even start armchair engineering a phase 2 beyond the project.

Yet there was no confirmation the blue prints were even real, or potentially the latest design that was actually a "go". Even though if I didn't know any better, listening to you, I'd have thought half of the project was already completed.

At no point did you show any hesitation that this was GOING to get built.

Now... For the past week or two, sources have been saying the budget for this project has been slashed.

And you call the "slashed budget" report a "pathetic rumor".

:lol::ROFLOL::lol:

And when questioned why you think Lutz is wrong, you point to his changing of a reason why their new dragon doesn't work. Of course, you didn't mention anything about how he was the first to report the dragon didn't work in the first place... Or about the press event that wasn't going to go off, or the removal of Flotsam and Jetsam. And that's just what he's broken about Fantasmic. Listen... He may have a bias against WDW. That doesn't mean his info is wrong. That just means he laughs harder when he's right.

Let me bullet point a couple things for you:

- If the budget has been cut, it's not because they're going to use the money to the betterment of other areas that need it. That's not how they operate these days. You can't point to one case of this, where MANY people can point to MANY cases where projects were scaled back or not done at all. If money is cut, it's because they don't want to give up profits. Believing anything less is nothing short of stupidity.
- Lutz knows what he's talking about. He may have a slanted view, but you better take what he says to the bank, even if you don't like it. It's well known that he's broken stories that made people throw fits inside TDA. As usual, just because what he reports isn't what you want to hear, he's wrong. :rolleyes:

Also... I'd like to know when I get to say "I TOLD YOU SO". I said from the second I saw those plans that we wouldn't see that exact build. And I still say that. When we see bulldozers (and not a second sooner... Not even at the D23) I'll believe it.

It's getting pretty obvious that your stances you take on things are to get a reaction out of people. It's getting old.
 

The Conundrum

New Member
I heard WDW is getting something called Epcot and Animal Kingdom.

If WDW brings back Captain EO, I would boycott the park for as long as it was there.

Are you saying WDW is not getting LM and ST2?

Just want to have you on the record since you also told us nothing new was coming to the MK for at least 5 years and your sources said the TL skyway station wasn't going anywhere. :lol:

I hope Captain EO comes back in Epcot too so you can boycott WDW and its forums.

As for everything else, all will make sense soon :D
 

Buried20KLeague

Well-Known Member
I completely disagree that the leaked plans never gained traction. Just about every source I consider to be reliable has stated that they believe the blueprints to be real or based on real blue prints. It seems really unlikely that they are a hoax at this point.

What we don't know is what Disney had in mind for the blueprints. There's a lot of unkowns here. But to say that any report that involves the fantasy land expansion should automatically be discredited is just throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

Also, I suspect that if Al had reported that Disney had doubled the budget for the project rather than reduced it, you would be reacting very differently.

Of COURSE you disagree. Because they gained TONS of traction. And jt was at the front of the pack.

Now the news is seemed to have changed, and as usual, jt's spinning that information to fit his argument... Even if in this case it means he completely changes course on his overall point in the first place.

Are you dizzy? I know I am. :rolleyes:
 

MousDad

New Member
To anyone who is going 'Please be corteous to Mr. Rasulo so you don't re-enforce negative stereotypes about Disney Fans. (I know it sounds odd coming out of me.):animwink:

Well, he did do that last minute cram tour of DL, so he might survive the ordeal intact.

Would be funny if he let something slip like "Cinderella's Castle at Disneyland" or something like that.

BTW - was that you who said several weeks ago the leaked plans were a hoax, or someone else?
 

Mstr Gra-c

Active Member
I am not an insider. I have NO insider information...I never will. But in skimming these boards reading them somewhat daily and trying to absorb the info I'm given I have come to the conclusion that a very small percentage of it ever comes to ANY fruition at all...ever. This does not mean that people are lying or deceptive. (Although I seem to think that some folks spit crud just to get a rise or because they are losers...who you ask...I dont know, its a real puzzle) But honestly to save myself the drama that is being a WDW devotee I have decided to change how I approach MOST information I get on these boards or other boards. With that said I have to agree with JT who has on more than one occasion said that he has decided to "wait and see"...thats exactly my approach now. Beacuse either way...in a year...I'll be there...just like all of you, whether you admit it or not.
 

HMF

Well-Known Member
BTW - was that you who said several weeks ago the leaked plans were a hoax, or someone else?
Yes' That was me. My source told me that due to Utilidor location etc. It would be impossible to expand that far back as the blueprints suggested.
 

WDW Vacationer

Active Member
Well, he did do that last minute cram tour of DL, so he might survive the ordeal intact.

Would be funny if he let something slip like "Cinderella's Castle at Disneyland" or something like that.
He probably would. I don't think his first visit to any park would be enogh time for him to know.


Al Lutz is full of it and does not know what he is talking about. Remember why DHS is not getting Monsters Inc.? The budget was transferred to FL.
 
I totally agree I mean can you imagine how different things would be if the manager of MK or EPCOT had to walk through the park on a daily basis saw what was lacking to make the park more sufficient and had the ability to change it in a rather short time period. Obviously I'm talking like chipped paint and other details that make disney disney not the multimillion dollar issues. O dear lord you and your sheriff, lol!:lol:

Be careful what you wish for. If they were in the parks daily they would also see what is selling and we'll end up with more and more generic merchandise.

~Amanda
 

SirGoofy

Member
Yes' That was me. My source told me that due to Utilidor location etc. It would be impossible to expand that far back as the blueprints suggested.

Not true. There may need to be some reworking of backstage areas, but they could easily expand back to where the blue prints show.

Al Lutz is full of it and does not know what he is talking about.

Also not true. Al is right much, much more than he is wrong. I think he's obviously biased, and dislikes WDW, but he has some great sources.

And as for evryone(jt) saying the blue prints may not be the true plans, they are. At least they were at the time.
 

HMF

Well-Known Member
Al Lutz is full of it and does not know what he is talking about.
He is full of it' huh. Lets take a look at what he got right
'He was the first to report details about the Constance update in the HM Attic.
' He explained in detail all the changes to POTC almost a year before it happened.
'He was the first to break the story about Pirates Lair on Tom Sawyer Island.
'He was the first to report that Disney characters would be added to It's a Small World and had the Fan Community up in arms before it was officialy announced.
'He gave numerous details about the DCA refurb before they were announced.
'He said that Green Army Men from Toy Story would be directing guests to DCA to ride Midway Mania due to confusing ads.
'And of course he was the first person who told us about the faulty Dragon in Fantasmic at Disneyland which still has yet to debut.
I would say thats a pretty decent track record.
 

Buried20KLeague

Well-Known Member
He does have a good track record. He is full of it on this subject. Monsters Inc. is not coming because of an EXPANDED budget for FL!

IT WASN'T TO EXPAND THE BUDGET FOR FL.

It was (presumably) to lessen the imact to the bottom line of too much expansion at once at the property.

Those are two VERY different things. VERY different.

And who knows... Maybe TDO threatened to pull MI, and in response Burbank said "okay, okay. Keep MI because DHS needs it. We'll meet you in the middle and cut the budget for FL". Entirely possible.

Either way... You should know what you're talking about before you call someone "full of it". Especially someone like Lutz.
 

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